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I don't like joddlers. Too much effort to seal the joints properly when you joddle a joint. Get some decent end clamps (Frost do some) and butt or V joint the weld. IMO of course.
A decent source of heat is important.
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Last Edit: Dec 1, 2009 8:15:29 GMT by akku
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RA40tony
Europe
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WOW!!!!! I stay off the PC for a few hours and the thread catches fire.... Thanks for all that, I'm printing this out to keep. Plenty of very good suggestions. Talking bout safety, I was thinking about investing in one of those face masks when grinding/cutting as they look like they offer way more protection. Like this: What do you mean aviation snips? RHD, LHD? I got some generic tin snips and they were useless, spent most of the time bending the metal rather than cutting. Used the grinder instead. Defo gonna invest in a self darkening mask, seems much safer for the eyes and means I only need 2 hands, not 3. The 4 grinder idea is great too, really makes sense. What is a Joddler? End clamps? (clamps the ends at the right distance to be able to butt weld?) Need to invest in a load of clamps then. Just ordered a hammer and dolly set from ebay (not sure about quality but we'll see) Thanks again
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Last Edit: Dec 1, 2009 8:56:53 GMT by RA40tony
1979 Toyota Celica GT. Currently Gone.
1975 Toyota Celica ST. 13x7 Allycats, "the stick" applied. 100kW 4AGE... Sold
1963 Karmann Ghia - Lo & Slo, Sold.
1965 VW Fastback - cruising
1953 Oval Ragtop, work in progress...
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4 angle grinders is great if your doing lots of bodywork makes them last longer aswell as they get a rest and cool down while another gets used The twisted wire brushes in straight form do still launch bits of wire occasionally, more so when they are worn down a bit normally with me they stick in my overalls and i only find them when i sit down The cup version are very useful for getting into corners and tight areas the straight won't reach Oh and if your still using goggles or safety glasses with grinders STOP IT NOW and get yourself a full face shield/visor If you've got an air supply then a finger belt sander like this is a great addition as it gets where a grinder won't In fact there are electric version of the same thing if you don't have air. But i've never tried one Apart from that whats allready sugested is good, plenty of welding clamps including at least one very long one (amazing how often its used) Plenty of different hammers and things to form metal shapes around a mig welder and light reactive helmet with decent welding gauntlets
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WOW!!!!! I stay off the PC for a few hours and the thread catches fire.... Thanks for all that, I'm printing this out to keep. Plenty of very good suggestions. Talking bout safety, I was thinking about investing in one of those face masks when grinding/cutting as they look like they offer way more protection. Like this: What do you mean aviation snips? RHD, LHD? I got some generic tin snips and they were useless, spent most of the time bending the metal rather than cutting. Used the grinder instead. Defo gonna invest in a self darkening mask, seems much safer for the eyes and means I only need 2 hands, not 3. The 4 grinder idea is great too, really makes sense. What is a Joddler? End clamps? (clamps the ends at the right distance to be able to butt weld?) Need to invest in a load of clamps then. Just ordered a hammer and dolly set from ebay (not sure about quality but we'll see) Thanks again Those full face masks are ok if your standing at the bench doing something, but can be a bit cumbersome when grovelling around under a car and sparks have a tendency to bounce off things and come in from the sides and the top - they also mist up in cold weather, which is a real pain. A good fitting pair a safety specs is usually a better bet. Also, specs are easier to put down when you take them off - sounds daft, but if your swapping between them and a welding mask you tend to just put them on the floor and those full face ones get scratched up right in your sight line. Snips-wise, I've always used straight cut ones - it really seams to be a personal preference thing and is very subjective. Just don't buy cheap ones, they're useless and frustrating and just chew rather than cut. All my snips are older than me (33) - shiny isn't always best! You don't have to blow money on an automatic welding mask to begin with - they are great, but a pricey for a good one. Just get a head mounted one - it only takes a nod of the head to flip it down when your lined up and ready to weld. A joddler is a crimping tool which folds the end of the metal, allowing you to overlap two pieces and get a flush surface. The one pictured has a built in hole punch, which allows you to punch out one side of the joint and plug weld it to the joddled edge of the other. The clamps you mention are sold by Frost and allow you to clamp sheet metal in a but joint (end-to-end) for welding. I would also say for things like clamps, hammers and dollies that its worth looking at second hand stuff. If you're not looking to spend too much cash you will get some better quality stuff that way. You have to watch the cheaper hammer and dolly sets, as they tend to be a bit brittle and don't have the weight of good ones - a good substitute is offcuts of various different shapes of heavy steel - round, flat, square, etc. Small steel stockists usually have offcuts and scrap bins you can plunder for beer tokens. Hope this helps clarify a few of your ideas! Joe
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Okay, I have a question for those who know bodywork. What about slide hammers? I'm going to learn some bodywork techniques by straightening out this: I've already got replacements for the fender and bumper, but I want to pull out the body side and the edge of the bonnet. I thought that a slide hammer would be ideal for this as you can grab the edge of the panel and gently pull it out. I've got a basic extremely cheap rubbish set of hammers and dollies, and have practised a bit on some spare panels and also hammered out one dent in the rear fender before. In your collective opinions, should I try roughing it out using just a ball-pein hammer from the start, or is it worth buying a slide hammer?
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Waveman - that looks like it might need a bit of portapower assistance to get that side back in line before you start dollying it straight. There's not much gentle about slide hammer work either - they're handy for pulling out areas that are awkward to get inside of, but they leave you with a fair bit of tidying up to do afterwards, especially if you attatch it through the panel (lots of little holes).
Joe
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slide hammer wont be much use on that beetle
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91 golf g60, 89 golf 16v , 88 polo breadvan
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Waveman - that looks like it might need a bit of portapower assistance to get that side back in line before you start dollying it straight. There's not much gentle about slide hammer work either - they're handy for pulling out areas that are awkward to get inside of, but they leave you with a fair bit of tidying up to do afterwards, especially if you attatch it through the panel (lots of little holes). Joe Thanks Joe. When I said 'gentle', I just meant that I was hoping not to have too many huge toolmarks to straighten out. My only real goal at the end of the day is to be able to bolt a fender to it and have the bonnet line up to within about a centimetre. It's going to be primarily a club motorsport car, so looks are not the number one priority. I could fairly easily get another side panel cut off of a car which I saw today in a local wreckers, but given that I don't have a welder and can't weld, I thought that bashing it back out would be the easier option. There are some rips in the panel which will have to be welded anyway. I thought that a slide hammer would be a more DIY-friendly and cheaper alternative to the portapower, and in any case it's not really that bad. I don't want to hijack the thread, but I'll put up some better photos of the damage with the panels off so you can see it, and add them to the car's thread as well. Looks doable with hand tools I reckon! The floorpan is straight, so there's no need to go breaking out the portapower just yet! Edit: Oh, and of course I'm putting a new front beam on it as well, I was just talking purely about the panelwork.
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Bodywork Tools suggestionBenzBoy
@benzboy
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With wire wheel grinder attachments, I'd recommend a knotwheel cup brush. I can't undertand how those ordinary wire wheel grinder attachments ever get approved for sale.... I've never tried a cup version....I've always used one like this: Would you say the cup style is better then? Always glad to hear other views if it means changing to a better tool ;D The cup ones I find get into tight spaces, but that's also limited by the size of the grinder too. I wouldn't say the cup ones are better, I think it might be a good idea to carry both. My cup knot-brush has about had it - I've had it for 6 years now and the brushes are down to about 8mm long! ;D
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RA40tony
Europe
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
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That'll polish out ;D Thanks for the advice, was thinking about a slide hammer too. Second hand stuff is a bit hard to come by in Greece. They have much less of a DIY attitude over here unfortunately. Still need to find a steel supplier for any steel for welding and I'll try to find some heavy offcuts.
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1979 Toyota Celica GT. Currently Gone.
1975 Toyota Celica ST. 13x7 Allycats, "the stick" applied. 100kW 4AGE... Sold
1963 Karmann Ghia - Lo & Slo, Sold.
1965 VW Fastback - cruising
1953 Oval Ragtop, work in progress...
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