MK2VR6
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Mk2 Golf GTi 90 Spec
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Dec 29, 2010 11:19:34 GMT
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Dec 29, 2010 11:33:06 GMT
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rustoleum combi for the paint
dinitrol or bilt hamber for the wax ..or old engine oil
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91 golf g60, 89 golf 16v , 88 polo breadvan
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Dec 29, 2010 11:45:53 GMT
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I have been wanting to do the same in my un heated garage. But the weather has put paid to that. I know you can warm the wax up in door, and then transfer to a bucket of hot water whilst using it. But even so I found that after 20 mins the under seal required re heating indoor again it make it brushable. So didn't even try the cavity wax due to the problems I was getting with the under seal.
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Dec 29, 2010 14:12:34 GMT
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I hate underseal. 99% of the time DIY applied underseal just hides further rust. IMO paint the car underneath with some kind of hard wearing non-chipping paint, I hate to recommend POR15 because I hate it but it seems to work for most people, I reckon a good primer and a chassis black is best. Check for damage to the paint and touch up each year at pre-MOT and you should be non-rusting and happy. cavity wax, thats the stuff that catches fire when you weld isn't it?
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Dec 29, 2010 14:49:15 GMT
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I've been thinking of getting one of these: www.millarsodablasting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=65&Itemid=53and just blasting the curse word out of the bottom of the car. Then zinc undercoat. Then some kind of POR or other hard wearing paint. The blasting seems a good way to get a nice clean surface without spending the next 10 years of my life upside down getting rust in my face. Can anyone point out an obvious flaw in this plan?
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Dec 29, 2010 16:18:07 GMT
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Sodablasting will remove underseal but its a bit of a slog. Soda is the way forward though as it doesn't damage other stuff like silica etc will.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Dec 29, 2010 16:24:56 GMT
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^ pot looks a bit pricey, seen them cheaper. My one was £40 s/h but they don't seem to come up s/h very often. Need at least a 3hp comp to drive it.
Paint-wise, I found POR15 OK-ish but not great. Needs a rough surface, falls off smooth ones easily. And chips because it's so hard.
Haven't tried Epoxy Mastic (which I reckon is a re-badged Jotun marine epoxy, and may be cheaper bought that way). But it has had good write ups, and ought to be good if it is a Jotun product in disguise.
Mine will be primer + chassis black. It's so much easier to get a good look at it and know what's going on. Easy to apply, repair, and cheap enough. Although I'm wondering whether to stonechip the underneath, as well as the arches and inner wings, and then slap some black over that.
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'66 Amazon <-> '94 LS400 <-> '86 Suzuki 1135 EFE
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Dec 29, 2010 17:08:20 GMT
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hmm i found por15 rubbish as well
i used waxoil mixed with 5% white spirit, mixed with a car boot (handheld) blender, then sprayed through a proper waxoyl gun (not a schultz) sealy sell em for £50-60, worked fairly well.
i found out about 20 years ago it catches fire when i sprayed the internal crossmember and inner sill area when replacing an outer sill on a mini, not a lot of warnings on there now let alone 20 years ago
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Dec 29, 2010 19:28:08 GMT
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in the past I've used Waxoyl and POR15, and havn't found them to be as good as the manufactuers sales literature after a 2 or 3 years on the car. next time I'm going for Bilt Hamber products including Dynax S50 wax and Electrox primer www.bilthamber.com/dynaxs50.htmlwww.bilthamber.com/electrox.htmlthen to top that off I'll be using U-Pol Gravitex stonechip paint www.hex.co.uk/tds/upol/gravitex.pdfneed to try and see how I'm going to apply it yet though. says it can be done by brush, shultz gun or sprayed. Id stay clear of underseal, as it makes a real mess when you try and remove it later, with stonechip and paint its easy enough to remove with a knotted wire brush in an angle grinder
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^ pot looks a bit pricey, seen them cheaper. My one was £40 s/h but they don't seem to come up s/h very often. Need at least a 3hp comp to drive it. My thinking on this was that I have a mk1 mr2 in need of some under treatment. I also have a Fiat x1/9 and friends with many pandas and uno's. The likelyhood of this blaster sitting idle is minimal And I figure a blaster that does soda and hard media would be the way forward. Hard media from what I've read will get rid of loose rust, clean the surface to metal and leave it rough to take whatever I spray on. Also, it'll come in handy for stipping random parts, cleaning them up before painting etc. I think I might go for this. I'll post back the results once I've managed to get any.
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Shop around for the pots though, the sames ones appear under a few names and varying prices. I got a spare bypass hose from Sealey for instance, it's identical to my one.
They can also be made from gas bottles. There's notalot to them at all. The MIG forum has a few home-brewed ones.
Also the ball valves are pretty consumable, but I found a place selling them 40p each, instead of the usual £3ish.
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'66 Amazon <-> '94 LS400 <-> '86 Suzuki 1135 EFE
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CIH
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Dec 30, 2010 23:29:13 GMT
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I've been putting my suspension through a course of BiltHamber rust stuff and a top layer of either Frost Chassis black or their cavity wax (forget the name).
I tried Hammerite aerosol and frankly it was curse word.
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Dec 31, 2010 17:01:29 GMT
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Another vote for Bilt Hamber stuff here. The electrox primer is very good, provided you are going back to bare metal. They also do a Underbody wax which isn't on their website, called Dynax UB - I haven't used this, but if like any of their other wax it is much better than waxoyl stuff. Alternatively, I have used Dinitrol 4941 which is very good, easy to paint on, pretty thin so not sludgy, but remains flexible.
On another note, do you reckon you could soda blast the underside of a car without damaging the bodywork. I need to strip mine but lack of space and power means someone soda blasting it would be a blessing.
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