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Aug 16, 2011 10:56:49 GMT
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Hi folks, Just noticed a comment on a welding forum I use from somebody converting a FWD monocoque to RWD. SVA office have advised it is not an SVA issue as long as he replaces the FWD floorpan with RWD 'pan from an existing car as it then qualifies as a "repair"  It would only need SVA if he fabricated a new floor. I thought SVA applied to any major chassis mods but maybe I got the wrong idea. I'd want it in writing before I did anything similar but hope the info is useful for anybody looking at modding their body  linky www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=27875"don't need a sva ive gone all through this with other people and even phoned up sva, when you read what thay say and what they mean. is 2 diffrent things. I'm cutting the honda tunnel out and putting a nissan one in this is classed as a repare with the nissan tunnel being made for a car ,same with the shocker tops. its just like cutting the floor out of a old ford and putting a new one in. the only time i would have to sva it was if i was making my own tunnel from sheet metal and changing the chassis or suspension location." Hope the info helps, have fun  I give you some pic'ness to get the juices flowing ;D  Saab  Mazda3  |
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Aug 16, 2011 11:06:02 GMT
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That goes against absolutely everything that I have ever read in the rules, or seen clarified by The ACE..
Even if it was the case, he'd never make enough points to retain the original ID anyway. Don't be surprised if the V5c gets confiscated on this one...
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Aug 16, 2011 11:10:38 GMT
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That goes against absolutely everything that I have ever read in the rules, or seen clarified by The ACE.. Even if it was the case, he'd never make enough points to retain the original ID anyway. Don't be surprised if the V5c gets confiscated on this one... Spot on Ben... Regardless of whether you use a 'Floorpan from a Car' or make one from a biscuit tin you are altering the monocoque of a production vehicle, therefore you lose the 5 points that are mandatory for that part. It's interesting that he's mentioning SVA which was replaced by BIVA several years ago and that he says he 'Phoned up SVA' and asked them. I'll admit he may be using the wrong acronyms (SVA not BIVA and SVA not VOSA), but if he had actually done the reseach he would have found out that this is just not possible. It cannot class as a 'Repair' as he's not replacing like for like. |
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Last Edit: Aug 16, 2011 11:11:33 GMT by 1960zody
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Aug 16, 2011 11:13:06 GMT
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I spotted the 'I phoned SVA' bit as well. I feel for the guy because there's obviously a huge amount of work and he's plodding along ignorant to the fact that it WILL need a test, possibly because of some duff info from a saturday kid on the phones at VOSA.
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...proper medallion man chest wig motoring. |
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Aug 16, 2011 13:02:10 GMT
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When dealling with VOSA email them. They respond (slowly) to all emails and you have the response in writing, for what its worth.
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doobie
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Aug 16, 2011 13:03:54 GMT
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Interesting post, As i understand it, it is possible if the car is built for either or. My passat is fwd but it is also available as 4wd, the floorpan is the same for both so as far as i understand i can convert it to rwd using the 4wd rear axle with no iva issues as long as i keep the 8 points.ie steering ,engine and bodyshell for example. I don't think its possible to weld in a floorpan from another car though.
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Aug 16, 2011 13:05:44 GMT
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What you could do is use the chassis from a separate chassis vehicle like a Land Rover and retain the ID from the chassis donor?
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Aug 16, 2011 13:14:17 GMT
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Interesting post, As I understand it, it is possible if the car is built for either or. My passat is fwd but it is also available as 4wd, the floorpan is the same for both so as far as I understand I can convert it to rwd using the 4wd rear axle with no iva issues as long as I keep the 8 points.ie steering ,engine and bodyshell for example. I don't think its possible to weld in a floorpan from another car though. Yup, provided you do not have to cut the monocoque you retain the 5 points. This was a discussion I was having with the gut fromclassics monthy about his 'reshelling' proposal. You could 'Reshell' a Passat and create a 4WD car using an FWD shell and that would be OK under his proposal but, if I did the same thing and 'Reshelled' a Renault 5 Turbo 2 with a 5GL body I'd have to go for BIVA because I've cut the shell, even though we have both done the same thing. He's never responded to that. |
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Aug 16, 2011 21:26:25 GMT
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Thanks for the replies, was starting to wonder if I had mis-read the rules for modding a monocoque. Yup, provided you do not have to cut the monocoque you retain the 5 points. That was my understanding, it sounds like somebody (a part-time trainee at SVA HQ ?) has given out wrong info  Here's hoping it all works out and we get another oddball car on the road To show my thanks and to make up for the failed pic in the first post, how about RWD to All-terrain conversion ;D  |
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And the irony is the car in the picture above wont be needing an IVA.
from everything i have seen and read, ANY modification (change from type approved specification) to the monocoque will result in the car being hauled up for an IVA, yes the rules are curse word, but there is not much we can do.
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Aug 18, 2011 23:31:02 GMT
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So if i cut the original arches out of my manta to raise the arch by 2" to fit the 400 arches over it i am altering the monocoque so i need a SVA?
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If on the rear arches the answer is yes. On the front if the inner wheel arch meets the outer,forming abowl , then yes as well. However if it is just a single skin outer wing that is OK to alter.
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Dez
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Another take on SVA ?Dez
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sounds like the guys a first class plum tbh. one of the 'bury my head in the sand and deny the rules apply to me' brigade. itll only come back to bit him on the  later on, and itll be all his own fault. |
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or bite the of someone he sells the car to who buys it in good faith... |
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Feb 19, 2012 20:05:55 GMT
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If he needs an SVA test ..big deal..if the work is done right and if he has to have Q plates.whys he gonna care?.
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