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Jul 24, 2010 18:06:53 GMT
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Jul 24, 2010 18:16:43 GMT
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Those look anything but derelict !
Love the us spec fiesta, that front bumper looks like it should have been on a.different car altogether
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Jul 24, 2010 18:23:34 GMT
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Always amazed at how super-shiny and smooth American show cars are, makes you wonder if they ever get driven, or if all the gearheads over there have OCD and/or a polish addiction.
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Jul 24, 2010 18:34:19 GMT
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Always amazed at how super-shiny and smooth American show cars are, makes you wonder if they ever get driven, or if all the gearheads over there have OCD and/or a polish addiction. Like "Baywatch" or "Starsky & Hutch" or the BBC's Political agenda, your perception of Americans and our cars is skewed, er, screwed. Especially most show shiite coming out of KaliflowerniUhh these days especially. The whole state is tanking under its own largesse..... and its donuts. |
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Jul 24, 2010 18:42:04 GMT
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Loads a great cars.
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Jul 24, 2010 19:38:11 GMT
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your perception of Americans and our cars is skewed, er, screwed. Especially most show shiite coming out of KaliflowerniUhh these days especially. My skewed perception is based upon what I'm exposed to. I very rarely see show cars or customs that aren't polished to within an inch of their life and barely move an inch under their own power. But then on the other hand I rarely see a British show car finished to the supremely high visual standard of many of those shiny trailer queens. No offence intended, merely an observation of the variations of car culture. |
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Jul 24, 2010 20:12:06 GMT
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^^No offence taken, enthusiasm and fervent opinion are not evidence of offence! You simply haven't seen enough, that's your perception blind. Check out this thread, then report back: retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=67827Rat started in America, and not recently. In fact, all of the origins of hotrodding were a revulsion against OCD car-waxation culture by the suburbanites. Grip. PS, oh, and REAL hotrodding ain't done in a gayass parking lot in The Land Of Fruit & Nuts by a bunch of early-bird-getting-donut Izod-wearing countryclub golfers getting coffee before they go vacuum their gayass kidney-shaped pools back home in Anaheim. Real car culture is located in America's heartland. End. Cricket chirping. Wind rustling leaves. Sergio Leone musical score. Full stop.  PPS, Nice pics ChevyZon. |
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Jul 24, 2010 20:58:13 GMT
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Mmm... delicious variety and ingenuity of design! Nothing wrong with a shiny car, or a ratty one, as long as it's *driven*. I did suspect such variety and culture was out there, just not seen it in such abundance in one location.
As for Rat, essentially Rat is shorthand for 'work in progress' as I see it, and some cars are always Rat because of that.
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Seth
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Jul 24, 2010 21:50:01 GMT
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Ha! Can't believe you came across an Isabella Combi in California  Some really cool cars there. I suspect that Aston might have ended up with a small block Chevy or something when the original wore out? Lots of expensive European cars went that way when original engines would have been prohibitively expensive to re-build. Rat started in America, and not recently. You need to brush up on your hot rod history Norm.  Its widely accepted that the resurgence of "Rat rods" began here with the Low Flyers in the mid-late '80s. |
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable. |
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Jul 24, 2010 21:52:59 GMT
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don't get me wrong, they're all pretty lush! But i LOVE this  |
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Jul 24, 2010 21:55:14 GMT
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^^Re-read my post. It wasn't about "resurgence". It was about origins. Rat and Hotrodding, origins same time, same place, contemporaneously. Hotrodding WAS Rat! IMHO. Not according to widely accepted anything. According to me. ;D
Mid-80's? LOL, funny stuff!
Rat never went away, except from popularity in magazines run out of LA. But that was because after Ed Roth, nobody could sell ratters anything except out of boneyards. And LA's car magazine scene was ALL about selling stuff from full-page new stuff advertisement.
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I live in the wrong country  |
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Seth
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^^Re-read my post. It wasn't about "resurgence". It was about origins. Rat and Hotrodding, origins same time, same place, contemporaneously. Hotrodding WAS Rat! IMHO. Not according to widely accepted anything. According to me. ;D Mid-80's? LOL, funny stuff! Rat never went away, except from popularity in magazines run out of LA. But that was because after Ed Roth, nobody could sell ratters anything except out of boneyards. And LA's car magazine scene was ALL about selling stuff from full-page new stuff advertisement. Origins of hot rodding was about regular guys making cheap cars go faster in the 30's. The fact an older jalopy was the base material meant that they often looked a bit raw but "rat" was not the goal. Even early rodders looked to make nice cars (eg Iskendarians very well finished T in what ,'35?) Look at early dry lakes photos - most cars are well turned out. Sure, there were a few trad rod builders doing their stuff all through the Muscle Car era, updating with more modern parts as and when (eg Pete and Jakes) and becoming Street Rodders. But it seemed to take a small group of British guys to remind some of the old guard across the water that fun could be had doing it the old way.   That's Pat Ganahl in Street Rodder. Yeah, on the left coast. I get the feeling he hadn't seen anything similar anywhere else Stateside and clearly had nothing to gain for his advertisers by putting that with a couple of pages of photos of cars from a different continent. |
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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Does "Rat" have to be the goal to end up "Rat"? I didn't know that. Nor did the vast majority of not-so-pristine hotrodders immediately pre- or post-war, who often finished their cars over a decade or never "finished" them. because you see some famous old ones with nice paint in magazines is WHY they're in magazines.
Isky? He's an old dumpster diver! Ever met him? I met him behind Fabulous Burgers diving for catfood in their dumpster while me and the Goodyear Blimp guys were trying to eat inside. Nice crazy old coot. I been all over California. More than 99% of Californians. And they have blown it, big time.
The Midwest and South are where parts are made, where most cars are being built, and where almost all the racing is done.
Califiornians talk a lot. Hog the PR. And the rest of the "World" thinks they're America. Truth is, the other 9 out of the 10 of us who live in the other 49 really could care less if they go rogue or not. It's a place to go get stuff and leave behind.
Pat Ganahl throwing a bone to you from the '80s isn't "history". It's a bone, Seth.
History is what's happening in little shops in Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Georgia, texas, Florida, North Carlina, Tennessee, 'Bama, Missouri, etc. California has no manufacturing base, hardly any racing, and a government at war against the IC engine. Pffft!
They're done.
Little Deuce Coupe? It was started in Michigan. California merely took it and put it on an album cover after a respray.
IMSA and SCCA Roadracing? Started on the east coast. First 24 hour race? Here in Columbus Ohio. Greatest spectacle in racing? Indy. NASCAR and TransAM? Down south. The greatest cars ever built? Detroit. California had surf, sand, and culture. All three are almost history. And people are leaving in droves... including car people.... in a reverse migration back to the heartland.
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Jul 25, 2010 12:58:19 GMT
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Norm, I get what you're saying but things do go through phases...the current rat/traditional hot rod bandwagon movement IS a resurgence. Like skateboarding (I'm not old enough to make actual hot rod analogies ) It was big in the 70s around the world and then went quiet before coming back again - there were people who never stopped, but that doesn't mean that names, people, magazines, places or products can't be cited in the tale of it's resurrection. Rat rods might be very similar to what young Americans were building and driving all those years ago, but those kids weren't trying to build rat rods were they? in fact to a certain extent they weren't even building hot rods - just make their cars cooler and quicker given the parts and finances available. I reckon what got Seth's attention was the choice of the word 'rat'. Cobbled together and rusty cars started anywhere and everywhere there were cars that got old, no one can claim that prize, surely? |
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Jul 25, 2010 15:44:55 GMT
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Boys, Boys stop it now !
I only wanted to show some pics of nice cars I have seen on my hols and you turn it into a semi spat.
I am going to another show today and hope to take more pics.
If you want to argue please do it in another post.
Many thanks.
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Jul 25, 2010 15:57:19 GMT
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I was hoping it was more of a debate than an argument to be honest.
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Jul 25, 2010 17:23:55 GMT
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I was hoping it was more of a debate than an argument to be honest. I agree, and it is a very enjoyable and knowledgable debate to read too. I enjoyed it anyway |
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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Jul 27, 2010 14:46:01 GMT
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i invented hotrodding in one of my previous lives and then evryone copied me ROFL
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1965 Datsun spl 310
1967 MGB roadster
1979 Dodge Spacevan
1983 Citroen LNA
1989 Volvo 760 GLE
1990 Volkswagen Jetta
1990 Nissan Bluebird
1990 Volkswagen LT35
1984 MZ TS125
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Its widely accepted that the resurgence of "Rat rods" began here with the Low Flyers in the mid-late '80s.
