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I've never been big on Supercars. Muira, yes. Early Countach, yes but from then on I never really saw any that floated my boat. The 959 was a prime example. A true showcase of technology. An absolute masterpiece of automotive engineering yet, to me, it looked like a 911 designed by tupperware! Somewhere lost under all that plastic curvy rounded body was a very nice shape. A 911 hidden in 20 layers of shrink wrap. The 288GTO, however, is just sublime. A supercar that stands out amongst all the others as a true showcase of style and substance. Outstanding engine with a masterpiece draped over it. Perfect. There are very few supercars that I yearn for. But of the few, the 288 is king of the hill. Thanks Dan  |
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And suddenly it's 1986 all over again.  Do you remember the iconic CAR magazine 'Getting To Know The GTO' front cover? |
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id of loved to taken them 2 cars over that road its over the top of north yorkshire moors its a truly great driving road
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the 288 is king of the hill. It's the cheeky kicked-up tail that really does it for me.  Do you remember the iconic CAR magazine 'Getting To Know The GTO' front cover? Nope - love to see it though. |
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959 for me please what an amazing car. It still today holds the lap record of the ring which is amazing. Competed in both le mans and paris-dakar in the same year which is also really cool
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It still today holds the lap record of the ring which is amazing. You sure about that? It doesn't hold the outright record or the production car record... |
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I love both of these cars, truly superb. The rear end of the 288 is absolutely perfect and for me only challanged by the Pantera for sheer brutish, graceful perfection.
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ZXRob
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It still today holds the lap record of the ring which is amazing. You sure about that? It doesn't hold the outright record or the production car record... Yeah scratch that its me being retarded its the 956 that holds the record! |
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awesome, those evo boys sure now how to take a photo...
The first shot is epic in every way..
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The Internet, like all tools, if used improperly, can make a complete bo**cks of even the simplest jobs...
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its the 956 that holds the record! Yep. Stefan Bellof: balls like watermelons. |
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Last Edit: Oct 7, 2010 12:30:52 GMT by dbizzle
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its the 956 that holds the record! Yep. Stefan Bellof: balls like watermelons. Outright record and had to negotiate traffic doing it. Legend. Died way too young; the day his lap record is beaten will be a sad one, as it is a fitting monument to his talent. Just found the vid of his crash and wish I hadn't;  Out of respect I won't post it on here. |
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Last Edit: Oct 7, 2010 14:17:07 GMT by e21meister
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the day his lap record is beaten will be a sad one It will indeed - but I doubt it'll be any time soon. |
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he did it in 1983 lol as he died in 1985
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Question stands. Same course today as in 1983?
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I believe so; bridge-to-gantry, excluding Sudschleife.
*awaits inevitable correction*
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ZXRob
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I was told his time was a full lap whereas most modern times are bridge to gantry but cant say for definate. either way still a mega lap that I doubt even the best drivers of today could beat
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nordschleife_lap_times_%28racing%29This wiki article implies that there is a circuit that is still identical to the one used in 1983 but it doesn't appear to be the one used for current endurance and other races. It seems Heidfeld had a bit of a go in a BMW F1 car in 2007, which was not set up for ultimate speed and calculations from the times he set implied he'd have been close to or a bit faster than Bellof's record. To be honest I'd be surprised if a modern F1 car, correctly set up with a good driver was slower. No disrespect to Bellof but technology moves on.
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1983 used a 20.8km course, the exact 1983 config used in that year only. Previous course was over 22km. Subsequent courses start at 23km and go up from there.
Shame. It's like reducing the standing quarter mile record to 1200ft for one year only, and then CROWNing an all-time record holder.
But it was all done during some reconfigs due to necessary construction going on at the time.
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From what I can see on the video, it looks like he did the lap on the -back then- brand new 20,8 km configuration, as in the same year the construction for the GP course (finished in '84) took place.
Therefore it should be the same course that's used by the Manufacturers for testing/laptime claims.
Of course, considering most of the track's pavement has been replaced and that in '83 the timing was done at the "old" pits. Meaning he actually did a full lap. Unlike the Radicals, Zondas etc do today.
*I could be wrong of course, it just looked clear to me on that clip.
BTW: As actual races take place on the longer configurations, VLN or 24h laptimes are not comparable
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Do you remember the iconic CAR magazine 'Getting To Know The GTO' front cover?
Out of respect I won't post it on here.
