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May 30, 2011 15:04:42 GMT
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So I've recently picked up this Citroen GS Break, its in pretty good nick apart from the fact it looks real scruffy. (Its been treated to a lovely hand painted finish) Essentially, the guy who owned it last stuck it in a barn 20 something years ago after doing some work on it and it hasn't moved since. So today I had my first chance to set about it and found out I need a new centre exhaust pipe, pre-heat pipe and some knowledge about how citroen magic suspension works! My first puzzle is the nearside front supension cyclinder, basically I can grab hold of the sphere and jiggle it around, which I'm assuming isn't supposed to be the case? Some photos: Is the suspension cyclinder at fault here, or when the car is started and the suspension loaded will this disapear? If somebody knows what I'm talking about or has any advice I'll reupload the photos with some annotations if it helps. Or if anybody has any suggestions of resources I should check out? Apologies for opening a thread with questions, I'll make sure to upload more pics as I progress. As always, thanks for any help guys!
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Neil
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May 30, 2011 15:37:11 GMT
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Nice GS - early one too! Chevronics in Hertfordshire is the only GS/A specialist in the UK. They have vast stocks of parts both new & used & have been getting some obsolete parts remanufactured... www.chevronics.co.uk/Citroen_GS_GSA_Spare_Parts.phpThe best place for advice is probably through the Citroen Car Club forum - you need to be a club member to use this. They have quite an active G section. www.citroencarclub.org.uk/drupal/
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Siert
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May 30, 2011 16:59:33 GMT
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Nice car! I think what you're describing with the suspension sphere is supposed to be that way and it will go away once there is load on it... but I'll try to remember to check it for you.
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Jun 10, 2011 11:12:02 GMT
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what an awesome find! Is the bodywork as mint as it looks? well, mint for a GS which means less than 90% rust......
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"The White Van is strong with this one...."
Chris "Chesney" Allen 1976-2005 RIP
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Jun 10, 2011 20:22:48 GMT
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Looks great - I bet there aren't too many of these left.
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1950 Ferguson TE A20 1971 VW Beetle 1300 1972 VW Beetle 1302S 1977 Leyland Mini 850 1983 Austin Metro 1.0 HLE 1984 Honda Acty TN 550 1989 Rover Mini 30 1990 Rover Mini City E 1990 Mazda MX5
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Jun 10, 2011 21:00:46 GMT
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I'm a very jealous chap
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"quote hairnet"
I'm not paying nine pound for a pi$$!
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Jun 10, 2011 21:18:53 GMT
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Whens the impreza Turbo going to find its way in here
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"No............I think I'll stick with the Maxi"
Arther Daley
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Jun 14, 2011 13:44:02 GMT
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If you don't want to join up to the CCC, then definitely head over to the FCF (French Car Forum), as there is a GS and GSA area of the forum. www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/See you there!
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Jun 15, 2011 21:18:00 GMT
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I love these truly fantastic little cars - get yours going and, if you'e not driven it yet, you'll never want anything else. Great to see ANOTHER one has survived the ravages of time! Fantastic - you lucky bunny...
First off, the estate/Breaks are always the unsung heroes of the G's and as such even more worthy for saving being mega rare. The bonkers wrap around rear screen and down to the stalls tailgate opening haven't been bettered on many cars since bar maybe a Cx Safari. The half length Webasto is an odd period feature too.
The front strut - the hydraulic pressure will brace the strut into a recess on the upper wishbone suspension arm which is usually kept in place with a split pin - you can see the hole in the lower boss in the picture you show. At push comes to shove a copperslipped nail will suffice for now but find a split pin the right diameter and length to do a btter permanent job. It's only when the suspension is fully depresurised that the piston will unseat and the main suspension cylinder will have noticeable slack - there's a large collar tht bears onto the front subframe mounting.
You may be lucky only needing to buy a pre-heat pipe that will mount onto the front manifold if it's the nearside but the fiddle will be the offside (again the feed pipe can be bought IF the offside pipe is a design where it's split - some were unbelievably in one piece which require the engine mounts undone to allow it to be jacked off the subframe to gain clearance). To fully depressurise the hydraulic circuit you just need to turn a 10mm nut 1/4 of a turn on a feed pipe on the offside front wheelarch in the engine bay.
The Y-pipe is variable according to the gearbox fitted - usually 4-speed at this age as the later engines were 5-speed but be careful as the C-matic semi automatic can mix things up.
If you plan to make it a long term keeper - check how good the metal/protection is on the rear subframe (top as well as lower faces) the inner rear wings behind the boot carpet and the sills - for heavens sake protect the sills! And the rear 3/4 inner/outer wings and the bases of tghe A-pillars. Oh, and the front footwells...
Check/replace your cambelts, and use a proper non return oil filter - cheap filters will drain and starve the cams on cold start-up. A leaky hydraulic pump collar will dump fluid from the front of the engine behind the fan cowl.
Have fun! In fact, get it going and I KNOW you will!
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Jun 29, 2011 10:13:14 GMT
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So a bit of progress has been made on the break, turned out it needed an entirely new exhaust front to back which I was surprisingly able to source from a few local motor factors (it comes in 5 parts with 6 clamps) for about a ton which wasn't too distressing! (Although I was distressed at first when chevronics quoted £80something for one pipe!) The front pipes were a bit of a curse word to get on, after an hour of faffing I decided to just take the front cowl and valance off. Even then it wasn't easy but, eventually the whole lot was on, plus no need for jacking the engine up as the drivers side exhaust had a separate pre-heat pipe. Then it got some nice new HT leads and plugs, cleaned out the dizzy cap and set the points gap. Then I had a peak at the LHM reservoir... Didn't look much different inside! Much better. The edge of that opening is razor sharp, don't know how or why they would even make it that sharp, seems like a lot of effort! Same for the filters... just cleaned with petrol and compressed air... Then it was back on the car and filled with 3 litres of LHM Fluid, easy. Then, out with the choke cable for a clean and grease (was jammed, some sort of silly friction design), quick oil switch and a new battery and before you know it it was humming away like a lawn mower and rose up like an angry bear after hibernation. Then, a good interior clean out was in order, so out with the seats and old carpet and several hours of scrubbing strange french faux leather plasticness gave this... Seats came up a treat... and the boot had a going over... I really need to start taking 'before' pictures There was 20 odd years worth of grot in there before I started, you guys believe me right ?! Also its already had a bit of welding done at some point, a bit agricultural but its solid and passed the industry standard screwdriver test Siert and citroenaddict were right, the loose sphere/strut I described disappeared as soon as the suspension pressurised, which makes perfect sense now I've seen it happen. Whens the impreza Turbo going to find its way in here Not sure if I'd have the money or the balls to go that far, however the exploits of these chaps make for an interesting read: www.eddinsmoto.com/id131.htmHow cool?! Even sounds a bit like an impreza haha! Anyway, I will never get round to it, I'm only dreaming because the carb is playing up (I think , next post....) Thanks for the all the info guys! Back soon with questions I'm sure ...
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Jun 29, 2011 11:01:13 GMT
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Well done! That car is fantastic!
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Jun 29, 2011 11:18:51 GMT
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Superb, love GS's
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The Internet, like all tools, if used improperly, can make a complete bo**cks of even the simplest jobs...
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Jun 29, 2011 12:41:35 GMT
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Now for the questions! Timing and points seem to be set right but the engine is having a hard time idling without choke even when warm. Essentially, rough idle at too high an rpm which seems to rev up and down every 5-10 seconds or so of its own accord. Checked the fuel lines before I started it and found a split pipe which was replaced and checked the fuel pump, so fuel seems to be getting to the carb fine. But, after some detective work and using my eyes I noticed a few things. Firstly, this appears to be a 1222cc engine (it has a small plate with an engine code which the internet tells me means 1222cc) not the 1015 which was originally there, with a Weber 30 DGS 1/250 W 66-50 (whatever that means...). As for the carb I've had it apart and checked the jets which are all clear, no dirt in the float bowl, but it does have an idle stop solenoid which I can find no information about in the manuals I have. Theres nothing about it in the Autobooks manual, and only a photo with no mention in the supplement section of the Haynes. Diagram with no solenoid... And with... Theres a wire coming from it looking quite lonely with no mate in the engine bay, so perhaps this could be the source of poor idling? (I think idle stop solenoids are supposed to cut an engine out to prevent overrun when the ignition is switched off?) Anybody have any experience/solutions?! I was thinking I might be able to source a regular jet & plug to replace the solenoid... Thanks in advance
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Last Edit: Jun 29, 2011 12:42:47 GMT by irbaileyus
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Siert
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Jun 29, 2011 16:16:14 GMT
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I have what appears to be exactly the same carburattor with exactly the same solenoid on my 1222cc engine.
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Siert
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Jun 29, 2011 17:03:47 GMT
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By the way, I've always thought that the solenoid is for float chamber breathing or something like that, not idling.
A 1220cc engine should have a plate on it that says G12/61*
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Jun 29, 2011 18:05:20 GMT
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Well, after having a think (admittedly not my strong point) I decided if the solenoid is for idling/overrun prevention, it must come on and go off with the ignition. Turns out its grounded by the carb and the wire hanging out is obv live, so I quickly made up a wire to connect the solenoid to one of the spade connectors on the side of the ignition coil which, come on with the ignition but have no apparent use... BOOM, much happier idling. I have what appears to be exactly the same carburattor with exactly the same solenoid on my 1222cc engine. Out of interest Siert, do you know where the carb solenoid is wired in on your car? Just checked out your RR thread and saw my answer, yours is in very nice condition, good to see it being thrown around a bit on a track as well! Thanks for the confirmation, the plate reads G12/612. Does the last digit signify anything like GS/GSA?
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Siert
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Jun 29, 2011 18:57:48 GMT
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According to Haynes there's at least G12/611 G12/612 and G12/619. The 619 is the only one mentioned in the "supplement on later models" so it may be the one fitted to the GSA but I'm really not sure... If I'm not mistaking mine is a 612 too and it's year model 1978.
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Jun 29, 2011 19:06:35 GMT
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wow thats a fantastic car i love old citroens, i know what you mean about the fluid reservoir i nearly sliced my hand off years ago when cleaning out one on a bx ;D
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dugong
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Fabulous. A GS Break (or indeed any GS) has been on my 'must own' list for the best part of a decade. I came very close to buying a copper gold GS Pallas in Derby fitted with a GSA engine but uncertainty at work meant that I backed out at the last minute.
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Jun 30, 2011 22:07:47 GMT
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Fabulous. A GS Break (or indeed any GS) has been on my 'must own' list for the best part of a decade. I came very close to buying a copper gold GS Pallas in Derby fitted with a GSA engine but uncertainty at work meant that I backed out at the last minute. Well I wasn't particularly looking for a GS or a car as such at the time, but I remember seeing a GS once before and being really impressed, it seemed a really manageable classic and quite practical so when this popped up at a reasonable price I thought it was worth a go as I've very rarely seen one for sale. Theres no way I could afford to restore a DS (dream car) so this will satisfy my floaty needs for now ;D So today I discovered some sneaky LHM fluid in the drivers footwell, I'm guessing as a result of having stirred the hydraulic system into action after so long, but where from? A little snooping traced it back to the foot brake button... So off to the other side of the firewall to see whats what, revealed a cover... Away with you cover! Looks guilty, bit of manual rummaging says its a brake control valve, so out it comes... A bit of poking around and I discovered first hand just how corrosive LHM fluid is, apart from the fact it kept melting my latex gloves in a few minutes, the seals in the brake valve resembled grease rather than rubber. In fact, some LHM leaked onto the rubber button that the brake pedal presses and it started to turn gummy after a few minutes as well, I hope this doesn't set a trend for other parts of the hydraulic system. I imagine I should be able to buy some new seals from somewhere to service this valve rather having to purchase an entirely new one, perhaps Pleiades or Chevronics? Fingers crossed that the other hydraulic rubbers aren't such surrender monkeys
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Last Edit: Jun 30, 2011 22:08:58 GMT by irbaileyus
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