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Aug 20, 2011 15:59:41 GMT
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car is looking lovely mate well looked after and we have 2 clients which deal ion jags and have never seen one so good but its just a shame there the cheapest really of the good old breed! as the model before and after are much more desirable!
however we did have one of these models in gold but we scrapped it and all it had was a jammed started motor and a slightly battered rear end! which i think we done anyway
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Jan 20, 2012 20:08:57 GMT
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I want one of these lovely cars, and yours is stunning mate Your Dad would be proud! Thanks for that; I think he would - he was pleased that it was still in good condition and used to borrow it occasionally when he was alive. I think he found driving it nostalgic and relaxing! David
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Jan 20, 2012 20:11:39 GMT
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Beautiful Jag there, a real head turner! Thanks! I think they're beautiful looking cars , very British in feel and like nothing else - like your Range-Rover!! David
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Jan 20, 2012 20:17:32 GMT
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car is looking lovely mate well looked after and we have 2 clients which deal ion jags and have never seen one so good but its just a shame there the cheapest really of the good old breed! as the model before and after are much more desirable! however we did have one of these models in gold but we scrapped it and all it had was a jammed started motor and a slightly battered rear end! which I think we done anyway Thanks for that. I have owned my XJ40 for a long time and they do seem to be becoming a bit more popular now. I hope so anyway! ;D . David
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Jan 20, 2012 20:19:26 GMT
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It is a while since I started this thread and it is time for an update. On Monday, I took the Jag down to Autofusion for Dave and Gray to repair. Both front wings are now off and Dave and Gray are up to their ankles in rust flakes!
David
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Jan 22, 2012 14:28:28 GMT
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Late XJ40s are very strong, reliable cars in the main with especially long lived mechanicals. Rust is what kills them; like many cars made before the 1990s they do like to rust! Close up of the right hand sill reveals this horror. The sill end design wasn’t one of Jaguar’s better moments – soil builds up behind the plastic wing liners and holds water. Mine is worse than many cars, but most XJ40s have some rust here. The bulkhead on my car is far better than most battery in boot XJ40s, but the top of the scuttle panel has the usual rust on both sides. Seeing under the wings of other XJ40s (mainly photos on the internet) made me realise the rust I could see was only a hint of what lies under the wings, unseen. Rust here is the major cause of the wet footwells suffered by many XJ40s. On the right hand side: And the left. Good bulkhead: But yikes! Problems lurking there… Less typical on the XJ40 is the rust in the right hand door pillar. It is difficult to photograph but was quite advanced and includes a substantial hole! I was worried about this because it could be a symptom of serious problems within the structure. Though there is no rust visible in the pillar from inside the car. I tried to work out what could have caused the rust. This is how the cars are constructed.
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Jan 22, 2012 14:36:58 GMT
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I took my old Sov down to Autofusion earlier this week for Dave and Gray to make a start on. I went down on Saturday lunchtime and found they have taken off both the front wings, so the dreaded inner wing tops are visible – and rusty. Driver’s door off too. Right hand side. This is typical inner wing rust on the late XJ40. Water gets in here and ends up on the front footwell floor. Properly crusty and flaky. I kept a rust flake as a souvenir – it’s surprisingly heavy for a Branflake. The front pillar has an unusual patch of rust in it. It is substantial and holed, but luckily only the outer skin is affected. The inside of the pillar is still as it left the factory. The guys cut out the rusty area, leaving this: New metal was fabricated and tacked into place: The repair will be invisible when it is finished. The sill end area is quite rusty on my car. A design fault creates a rust trap filled with road debris. This becomes waterlogged and is particularly bad on cars with a sunroof – like mine. The pipe to the right of the photo is the sunroof drain. It has rusted from the outside in, not from the inside out: All this was once hidden behind mudflaps, and invisible. A while back I noticed the driver’s mudflap was wobbly and a bit crooked. I was surprised and perplexed when it broke off in my hand attached to a flake of rust! The rust is barely visible from inside the car – just in the corner where you can see a crack in the seam sealer where the rust has swelled. On to the passenger’s side (RHD car): similar rust here - this area is an Achilles heal of the late XJ40, so the rust came as no surprise. Jaguar’s rust prevention seems minimal on the inner wing, there isn’t even any paint – only grey undercoat. Very crusty this side too – I can’t understand why my car didn’t suffer a footwell leak. It was garaged, so maybe only enough water to soak the soundproofing got in. The side view is also shows typical late car rust. The sill end needs tidying, but other than that there is no other rust on the left, likewise the right hand side is otherwise rust free. The XJ40 does not rust in the suspension tower behind the shock absorbers like the X300 and X308. They can rust badly there and it is not a trivial repair. A rather half hearted attempt at rustproofing from Jaguar in here – they don’t seem to have bothered with paint either. I wonder if the lack of paint is the reason why XJ40s rust so badly under the front wings? No paint here either… David
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Jan 22, 2012 16:45:55 GMT
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Blimey, I wish mine looked that tidy inside! The colour/wood combination of your interior is lovely, it looks a lot less dated that many of these do. Nice to see it getting "the works" on the de- rusting. Sadly these cars are at the point where repairs become uneconomical very quickly and it's only people that love them save them. I've only found significant rot in the passenger footwell where the bulkhead meets the floor & sill. I'm hoping there isn't too much else, 'tho there is a bit higher up- some around the bungs at the top corners and the earth point behind the engine has fallen off... Now I've temporarily sealed the hole the footwell is dry- I'm not brave enough to look behind the wings! Please keep us posted on this- really nice to see one of these getting the TLC these fantastic cars deserve
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Jan 23, 2012 16:20:32 GMT
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A lot of XJ40s are going off the road for really trivial reasons at the moment. It’s sad really, because there’s often hardly anything wrong with them but they’ve become so cheap they’re just a “throw away” car. They’re really beautiful things though and so good to drive. Lots of late cars have bulkhead rust, it was a design fault and Jaguar issued a Technical Service bulletin advising dealers to drill out the spot welds, remove the front piece and glue a new one on!! By no means all cars will have the rust on the top of the scuttle, so you could be lucky. Rust where the front of the footwell meets the bulkhead and the floor to sill join is fairly common on late cars. It doesn’t seem to spread far into the floor though on cars I have seen. You should start a thread for your ’40 – I’d like to see photos of it and there are nowhere near enough Jags on Retrorides! BTW I love your Marina, what a fantastic colour! There are some good forums for the XJ40; www.xj40.com (I am ‘david’ on that site) is well worth joining if you haven’t already and Jag-Lovers, though it is a serious site and perhaps less friendly than XJ40.com has superb knowledge and posters who can diagnose and solve practically anything. forums.jag-lovers.org/forums.jag-lovers.org/index.php3?....JCy%2BIoQ%3D%3DDavid
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Jan 23, 2012 22:49:34 GMT
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Cheers- I'm not on any Jag specific forums yet, will do though. Only got it just before Christmas. Don't really have any plans for the Jag beyond tidying it up a bit and enjoying driving it so didn't think it worthy of a thread, but I'm sure a few photos will appear in the Marina's thread.
You might have seen it on ebay, 1993 4.0 Sport in Kingfisher, 66k and FSH. I paid £950 and that's expensive for one of these, can't believe what you get for your money. Lovely thing to drive.
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That's some really nice work going on there- impressed with the door pillar. The amount of grot you are finding on this is worrying me immensely- at a glance, yours looks much better than mine!
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dbdb
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That's some really nice work going on there- impressed with the door pillar. The amount of grot you are finding on this is worrying me immensely- at a glance, yours looks much better than mine! I'm pleased with the way it is going at the moment, the door pillar will look like it has never needed to be welded when the paint is done. There is quite a bit of rust but by no means all XJ40s suffer rust like this, so yours could well be one of the lucky ones. David
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Lovely car, Grays work looks as top notch as ever, nice to see it being done properly...
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The Internet, like all tools, if used improperly, can make a complete bo**cks of even the simplest jobs...
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Feb 10, 2012 16:05:41 GMT
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Lovely car, Grays work looks as top notch as ever, nice to see it being done properly... Thanks! Gray's good isn't he! I love this car and want to keep it forever, so I wanted it to be done right. David
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Feb 10, 2012 17:37:33 GMT
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Nice car and story,you can see the car has been loved,hadn't heard of Gray but He/they are very good at what they do judging by the pics,can't wait to see how good it looks when completed.
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Feb 10, 2012 19:37:37 GMT
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Nice car and story,you can see the car has been loved,hadn't heard of Gray but He/they are very good at what they do judging by the pics,can't wait to see how good it looks when completed. Gray is one half of Autofusion in Leigh, the other half is Dave. retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=tlpgs&action=display&thread=104472I'm looking forward to getting it back when its done too! David
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Feb 28, 2012 23:36:14 GMT
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I went down to see Gray and Dave again yesterday and saw my car. I was particularly eager to discover what lies inside the bulkhead, under the scuttle. I have been worried about the extent of rust lurking here since the last time I was at Autofusion I poked my finger down the hole here and felt the rust flakes give way down below with quite a crunch. The same place without the front wing: The top scuttle panel has now been removed, revealing the inside of the bulkhead, which I am relieved to say is in excellent rust free condition. The brown staining is dust stuck on to a wax coating on the metal, and sitting on top of the seam sealer. I found it can be scraped off easily with my fingernail to reveal bright paintwork. The top of the right hand end piece of the scuttle panel. This is made from very thin metal, unlike the bulkhead below which is of much heavier grade. The underside of the same piece of metal. Water has got into this small rectangular compartment then been held there by what remains of the cavity’s foam filling. Dave described the foam as a rancid gelatinous slime. Water condensing on the underside of the top panel has rotted through the metal over time. However, the top panel is the extent of the rust. Despite the brown look on the photograph, the compartment's floor and sides are not rusty. The discolouration is a mixture of rust flakes and dust. The crunching sensation must have been my finger compressing the flaked remains of the top panel which had dropped through into the cavity. Some of the rust was close in texture to soil. Overview of the inside of the bulkhead cavity, now the scuttle top panel has been removed: Closer in: The whole interior of the plenum is in excellent condition – again the brown areas are a discoloured wax preservative. Photographed from the rear – there is a small area of rust where the bulkhead front meets the inner wing, but nothing more: The whole cavity viewed from the right hand side – no rust there: The small area of surface rust is the extent of it: The left hand side was in similar condition, but cleaner since the top panel was not so bad on this side. Viewed from above: And from the side across the plenum cavity from the left hand side: Again the whole structure is rust free: Clearly on my car water was not getting into the car from the bulkhead. It could explain why the cabin of mine remained dry, even though the car looked so rusty. David
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