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I am sick, I tell you, sick. Despite being poor I have spotted an opportunity to acquire an interesting American car with no engine or box. I thought my best bet would be to shove a diesel in it and call it a practical daily. What sort of diesel would give a 2 ton barge "acceptable" performance and decent economy.... And be cheap to acquire and easy to fit and maintain... Ideally should come with an auto box...  Not exact car... |
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Last Edit: Nov 4, 2011 14:08:23 GMT by akku
1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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2.8 Iveco TD?
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Last Edit: Nov 4, 2011 14:11:27 GMT by VIP
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I'm assuming thats a truck lump. I did see Scania and Volvo V8 Diesels on eBay but...
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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droooooool big v8 diesel...
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I'm assuming thats a truck lump. I did see Scania and Volvo V8 Diesels on eBay but... It's what KFW has in his Ford pup, and you can get them with 4-sp auto boxes. |
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Something from Large Mercedes or BMW Diesel?
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Mercedes OM603 3l 6 pot turbodiesel? About 150HP & 270nm. They also made 3.5l - but apparently it's no good and lacks longevity (and isn't much stronger anyway)... Or the succesor OM606 (also 3.0 6 pot) which seems a popular engine for conversions; ~177HP & 330 "torques" in it's turbocharged guise. Was used in the W140 S-Class which also weights about 2 tonnes. So I guess it's just about "adequate". W140 S-Class was quoted at about 30MPG, 11.2 secs 0-100km/h and top speed of 206km/h (128mph). Came with 5 spd. auto box. Though the 5th gear is a electronically switched overdrive. At a guess the earlyer 4 spd. autoboxes should fit as well. Might be easyer as no electronics are involved  |
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black smoke racing use a an om606 6pot diesel from a '98 merc. 170bhp standard and they're pushing out over 400, so it should have some poke.
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big diesels. againspeedy88
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Volvo D5? Normally found in the rather heavy XC90 and still boasting about 50 - 60 mpgs
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Show me an XC90 giving an average of 50mpg (let alone 60) and I will eat my hat with chips & gravy. pogs back !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol |
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diesel out of a hilux or something similar?
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these modern Volvo type diesels and whatever are all very good but do they come in RWD configuration with a handy auto gearbox and (this applies to the Merc/BMW lumps as well) do they require complex electronic cack in order to work? Many of the modern ECUs are all integrated with anti car jacking and climate control and all that and aren't easy to transplant.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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I'm assuming thats a truck lump. I did see Scania and Volvo V8 Diesels on eBay but... It's what KFW has in his Ford pup, and you can get them with 4-sp auto boxes. Iveco SOFIM. From the Iveco Daily/Turbo Daily. Available in 2.5 and 2.8 litre guises, both turbo and NA. The NA 2.5 is 75ish BHP (avoid..) and the turbo and IC'd 2.5 and 2.8s are both around 120. Relatively good MPG, easy to wire in as they're simple 1 wire to the stop solenoid jobs. Seem fairly small for what they are if a bit tall but do weigh as much as you'd expect a 2.8 litre iron blocked diesel to. They're Fiat bellhousing pattern. Bosch pumped, too, if you like the smell of chip shop I believe Matt (Stealthstylz), when considering a similar conversion settled on the Isuzu 2.8 from a Frontera and will be needing a gearbox from a 2wd Isuzu/Vauxhall Brava. |
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...proper medallion man chest wig motoring. |
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these modern Volvo type diesels and whatever are all very good but do they come in RWD configuration with a handy auto gearbox and (this applies to the Merc/BMW lumps as well) do they require complex electronic cack in order to work? Many of the modern ECUs are all integrated with anti car jacking and climate control and all that and aren't easy to transplant. True. The OM606 runs a electronic Lucas injection pump. But, Black Smoke Racing runs them on a inline pump (Bosch I guess). So I guess it's adaptable. I'm just in the process of finding that out.  [edit] Yeah, looks like it'll work... Doesn't even need electrics to run it this way ;D Hmmmmm... This thread gives me bad ideas ;D |
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OK, so whats the position with biodiesel, WVO, new veg oil, heating oil, etc. with these Merc lumps?
30MPG on diesel is 37 mpg on biodiesel (depending on price diferential obviously) and more like 40 MPG on new veg oil and more on WVO if you get it cheap or free. Which I don't think I can so I am sticking to biodiesel really.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Ok, I was a bit wrong - it's the 4 & 5 cylinder variants of the OM606 (OM604/605) that have the distributor type pump. The 606 does have a electronically controlled Bosch inline pump which can be swapped for a OM603 (fully mechanical) Bosch inline pump. Those Bosch inline pumps are prime candidates for runing on veg oil as they'r very tough They basically swallow anything you feed 'em ;D For aggresive biodiesel all rubber seals have to be swapped for bio-diesel resistant viton seals. Should be readily available from the SVO-boys and cheap to replace. Bigger dia. fuel lines would also be good for runing on (near-)100% SVO or WVO. |
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Cheers. This is building a very naughty idea in my mind...
The donor for a OM606 is a Mercedes S300 Diesel, does this make them expensive to buy?
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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OM 606.910 136PS/134hp, 210N·m (155lb·ft)@2200 rpm Natural 1993–1996 W124 E 300 D OM 606.912 136PS/134hp, 210N·m (155lb·ft)@2200 rpm Natural 1995–1997 W210 E 300 D OM 606.961 177PS/174hp, 330N·m (243lb·ft)@1600 rpm Turbo, intercooler 1997–1999 W140 S 300 TurbodieselOM 606.962 177PS/174hp, 330N·m (243lb·ft)@1600 rpm Turbo, intercooler 1997–1999 W210 E 300 TurbodieselOM 606.964 177PS/174hp, 330N·m (243lb·ft)@1600 rpm Turbo, intercooler 1997–2001 W461 G 300 TurbodieselA W210 (first E-Class w. quad headlights) is probably easyer & cheaper to find. They'r pretty much at the bottom of theyr value at the moment AFAIK most deseasel S-Class had been sold to the US |
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The VM turbodiesel in the Jeep Cherokee is also an option, 4cil. and 2.5l.
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The donor for a OM606 is a Mercedes S300 Diesel, does this make them expensive to buy? Maybe buy a donor vehicle, rather than just the engine and gearbox? I think if you sell of the bits you don't need, especially the interior, you'll do alright out of it. That's dependant on you having the readies to buy the whole car and the space and time to strip and sell it. I've seen ex-wedding service W140 diesels pretty cheap, though very tired looking. |
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