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Nov 23, 2011 23:13:17 GMT
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Hi all,
I know this is my first post but I have slowly been ploughing through all the forum posts including the very sad "Stolen" threads.
"Flicking" through eBay tonight I was not entirely surprised to see two sellers listing Mk1 Mini plates, VIN and docs under the pretence of them being "memorabilia".
Now I am sure that some people do genuinely have these for sale but equally it must also be an outlet for those who have nicked/acquired a car under dubious circumstances and applied for a new V5 to then shift that identity easily.
I hope I'm not treading on anyone's toes but as a suggestion, should we be reporting things like this to eBay in the hope that the trade in valuable ID's can be stopped.
Thanks all for a great forum.
S.
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1970 Herald 13/60 Convertible..twin carbs ready to fit, 1970's 100+ alloys ready to refurbish.
Just need someone to gift me some time to get it done!
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crazymonkey
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Nov 23, 2011 23:24:05 GMT
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its a very strong topic on here don't worry. there is a section on ebay where you can report these as it's not allowed to sell identities on ebay. someone would happily tell you where it is because I really cant remember lol ;D. there are many ways of them selling them, a popular one seems to be the auction listing as the car but the image a pile of rust with visible logbook and vin plate. But yeah a lot of us don't like the people selling this sort of thing for the reasons you stated. New identities for stolen cars being the most common one and its for this reason that ebay doesnt allow the sale of these and has created a section for reporting them
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whoever said dogs were man's best friend....obviously never heard of cable ties
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I have complained to the DVLA about this and asked why they don't get in touch with eBay and chase it up, they gave me a woolly nonsense answer that I interpreted as 'its too much bother man'
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1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 Mazda 929 Coupé 1986 Mazda 929 Wagon 1979 Mazda 929 Hardtop 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 1989 Subaru 1800 Wagon 1982 Hyundai Pony 1200TL 2-dr 1985 Hyundai Pony 1200 GL 1986 Maserati 425 Biturbo 1992 Rover 214 SEi 5-dr 2000 Rover 45 V6 Club 1994 Peugeot 205 'Junior' Diesel 1988 Volvo 760 Turbodiesel Saloon 1992 Talbot Express Autosleeper Rambler 2003 Renault Laguna SPEARS OR REAPERS
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PHUQ
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The main purpose of those (affects dubs, MGs and Land Rovers as well amongst others) is not as a ringing kit but as a tax evasion kit- the IDs are without fail pre 1973, generally off cars too far gone to be viable restoration projects. This is pretty annoying, since the simplest way of sorting it out is to simply get rid of the pre '73 tax exemption- if people extract the urine too much I suspect that's simply what will happen.
Doesn't mean they can't be, and indeed aren't, used to mask the ID of a stolen car however.
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marksparks999
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Nov 24, 2011 18:56:38 GMT
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regardless of whether the transplant vehicle is stolen or not, this is a ringing kit, and yes most are Pre 73 to avoid VEL duty.
Believe me DVLA/Police receive regular reports... and the vehicles identified have the VIN/VRM blocked so if someone then registers the vehicle in their name, the vehicle will get either recalled to a DVLA office for inspection, or come to some one like me!
Most of these cars then end up on a 'Q Plate' and DVLA withdraw the VRM.
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Retroless at the moment... but on the hunt for something old!
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Nov 24, 2011 19:09:41 GMT
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I'm glad my first post didnt cause offence then!
Well in that case I will admit that I reported the two Mini transactions that I spotted before writing the OP.
It might be that DVLA and Police can't/won't do anything but I guess if we all did our own little bit by reporting them to eBay then it might at least cause inconvenience to those wrong doers.
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1970 Herald 13/60 Convertible..twin carbs ready to fit, 1970's 100+ alloys ready to refurbish.
Just need someone to gift me some time to get it done!
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eBay ID salesleicester
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Nov 24, 2011 21:49:28 GMT
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It might be that DVLA and Police can't/won't do anything I asked a local Police officer about this due to a guy buying an Ebay 1968 tax free id and putting it on his 1981 Mini. Not interested in it.
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Nov 25, 2011 12:16:47 GMT
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I think with the speed that news travels at nowadays, if a few people did actually get busted for this, cars seized and crushed etc, and the stories found their way onto the internet round all the old car foruims etc, the bottom would drop out the market pretty quickly.
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1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 Mazda 929 Coupé 1986 Mazda 929 Wagon 1979 Mazda 929 Hardtop 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 1989 Subaru 1800 Wagon 1982 Hyundai Pony 1200TL 2-dr 1985 Hyundai Pony 1200 GL 1986 Maserati 425 Biturbo 1992 Rover 214 SEi 5-dr 2000 Rover 45 V6 Club 1994 Peugeot 205 'Junior' Diesel 1988 Volvo 760 Turbodiesel Saloon 1992 Talbot Express Autosleeper Rambler 2003 Renault Laguna SPEARS OR REAPERS
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Nov 25, 2011 13:17:34 GMT
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It might be that DVLA and Police can't/won't do anything I asked a local Police officer about this due to a guy buying an Ebay 1968 tax free id and putting it on his 1981 Mini. Not interested in it. Doesn't surprise me a lot, its more a DVLA + Customs+excise issue I would imagine.
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Nov 25, 2011 13:24:02 GMT
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It's completely and utterly a Police matter. It's ringing which is a criminal offence.
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1962 Datsun Bluebird Estate - 1971 Datsun 510 SSS - 1976 Datsun 710 SSS - 1981 Dodge van - 1985 Nissan Cherry Europe GTi - 1988 Nissan Prairie - 1990 Hyundai Pony Pickup - 1992 Mazda MX5
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marksparks999
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Nov 25, 2011 19:01:52 GMT
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agreed... ;D
perhaps it just needs people to bid miilions of pounds each time these idiots list... that way they may get fed up and crawl back under their rock?
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Retroless at the moment... but on the hunt for something old!
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pOG
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Nov 25, 2011 19:13:27 GMT
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pOG
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Nov 25, 2011 19:18:12 GMT
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Last Edit: Nov 25, 2011 19:31:02 GMT by pOG
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dungbug
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Nov 25, 2011 19:45:56 GMT
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I've reported a number these types of auctions for aircooled VW's, some auctions were stopped & some were not for some reason. As xbo11ox says, hit the people hard who try this on & there would cease to be a market for it.
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hamps
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Nov 25, 2011 19:46:45 GMT
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This makes me mad, reported!!!!!
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crazymonkey
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Nov 25, 2011 19:54:29 GMT
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same that escort is just bad. car is rotten and not included. thats just asking to be busted lol
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whoever said dogs were man's best friend....obviously never heard of cable ties
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pOG
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Nov 25, 2011 22:45:33 GMT
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sparkyt
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Nov 25, 2011 23:05:42 GMT
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Who'd want an 85 mini . If you wanted to ring a car you'd make it tax free ...
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Nov 26, 2011 18:50:59 GMT
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joke is Ebay wont do anything about them tried reporting things like this in the past to no avail
Dave
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Nov 26, 2011 18:54:50 GMT
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Definitely worth reporting; two that I did earlier this week disappeared before the end of auction.
I know it might drive it underground but lets make life as hard as possible for them.
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1970 Herald 13/60 Convertible..twin carbs ready to fit, 1970's 100+ alloys ready to refurbish.
Just need someone to gift me some time to get it done!
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