Copey
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Post by Copey on Apr 23, 2012 14:49:07 GMT
Hi, the other thing is where do they get the mileage for the MOT cert? they just put "not shown" in the box  |
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Post by thematt on Apr 23, 2012 14:53:49 GMT
You can get various speedos from various suppliers now that will suffice. If you want an old-school round job, Smiths do some that work off a VSS and can be calibrated to wheel size.
There is also Acewell, I've got an Acewell in the mini, real easy to fit, contains all of the lights you need for the MOT. Stack ones are nice, but a LOT dearer.
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andyf
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Post by andyf on Apr 23, 2012 15:10:22 GMT
Interesting that it`s a visual check only. How would they know it was not working on the non-computerised stuff?
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Post by νוᴩ on Apr 23, 2012 15:54:19 GMT
Interesting that it`s a visual check only. How would they know it was not working on the non-computerised stuff? Visual check simply means not checked by a scale, gauge or other piece of equipment, or to set parameters. Presumably they check to see a speed is registered as they drive it into the test area. |
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stevek
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Post by stevek on Apr 23, 2012 16:08:24 GMT
humm intersting. I thought that technically the KPH reading speedo on the corolla should have been a fail but it lights up and works so maybe not. I would like a MPH one though because I'm always worried how fast I'm going so end up going too slow.
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overdrive
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Post by overdrive on Apr 23, 2012 16:14:43 GMT
It's quite a difficult one. Running a different box with no provision for speedo drive (no idea why).
I know there are kits out there, but I'd like to hear a proper recommendation from someone with a universal one...
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Post by Ryannnnn on Apr 23, 2012 16:52:59 GMT
It's quite a difficult one. Running a different box with no provision for speedo drive (no idea why). I know there are kits out there, but I'd like to hear a proper recommendation from someone with a universal one... The speedo on my 924 runs off one of the front wheels, not the box. Any use? |
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Post by MrSpeedy on Apr 23, 2012 17:10:20 GMT
It's quite a difficult one. Running a different box with no provision for speedo drive (no idea why). I know there are kits out there, but I'd like to hear a proper recommendation from someone with a universal one... The speedo on my 924 runs off one of the front wheels, not the box. Any use? IIRC, 'proper' VW beetles also have the speedo drive on a front wheel |
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Post by Seth on Apr 23, 2012 17:14:38 GMT
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overdrive
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Post by overdrive on Apr 23, 2012 17:47:35 GMT
Although the VAG wheel trick might be handy, I know I'd need to break open the cluster to get the tach separate. Might be as much grief in itself...
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andyborris
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Post by andyborris on Apr 23, 2012 18:57:14 GMT
Don't the regs say a tacho can be a substitute?
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Post by NightmaresRacing on Apr 23, 2012 19:21:44 GMT
I had a car passed on the tach once as it is a way of telling the speed of the vehicle . not sure if its still aloud though with all the new regs that keep creeping in
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funkula
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Post by funkula on Apr 23, 2012 20:39:07 GMT
Since when has an mot tester actually tested the speedo whilst carrying out the mot? Scarcely I'd imagine although I guess it registers during the brake test thinking about it...
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Post by mgbizzle on Apr 23, 2012 23:56:59 GMT
Pretty sure my speedo was bust when I got my MOT last summer, id test it and see if the examiner says anything.
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bryn
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Post by bryn on Apr 24, 2012 0:29:19 GMT
Interesting thread, the dashboard on my buggy consists of three switches and three warning lights. I may have to do something about this... Good timing  |
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Post by thematt on Apr 24, 2012 7:16:10 GMT
I know there are kits out there, but I'd like to hear a proper recommendation from someone with a universal one... As I posted earlier, I fitted a "universal" Acewell dash in my Mini. I did this because of the engine conversion. I assumed I would be able to run the VSS from the Vauxhall gearbox, but in the end I fitted the hall sensor that's supplied with the kit, made a simple bracket to mount that inside the back drum and put the magnetic pick up into the 'spare' threaded hole in the studflange. It was actually surprisingly easy, not least because the thread on the magnetic pickup just happened to be the same as the thread in the hub! To install them is very simple, it's just running wires to power them, wires for the tell-tales and the wiring for the hall-sensor or VSS. Calibrating them is easy too you just input tyre circumference. You can set them to KPH or MPH, the odometer is legal and they are IVA compliant. The Acewells, hmmm, they work OK, but they aren't pretty TBH. Their background is providing speedos for ATVs that were being made to comply with VOSA/Construction and Use etc. regulations to be put on the road. They are a bit "bikey" looks wise, but the main advantage for me with the GRP dash was that they have all of the tell-tale lights, a fuel gauge, a temp gauge, trip timer (handy for the 'ring) trip mileage, RPMs, shift light.....all for about £170. They pop up second hand too. Again, there are other alternatives that are all road legal, but Acewell are by far the cheaper option. Stack do some lovely kit. If you want a round, older school speedo then Smiths may be a better option. In terms of the MOT, I aint up on the 2012 regulations as I stopped testing years ago. |
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bl1300
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Post by bl1300 on Apr 24, 2012 8:39:58 GMT
My DAF has its speedo driven from the right hand front wheel.
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Post by thematt on Apr 24, 2012 13:08:50 GMT
Lolvo 240s do too, or at least some of them do (actually, it's front left on them).  |
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1001ab
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Post by 1001ab on Apr 24, 2012 14:58:18 GMT
If your car doesnt have a speedo (not a working speedo, but no speedo at all), is it an MOT fail? I'm sure it does but recent discussions have sown doubts.. After the pages of rumination and ideas, do you know what you're going to do? Can't you install a field expedient, temporary speedo to get you through an MOT without touching the non-functioning standard fit speedo? |
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Post by scaryoldcortina on Apr 24, 2012 20:17:08 GMT
speedo does NOT have to work! It does now. 2012 MOT Directive 2009/40/EC7. Other Equipment 7.8 Item: Speedometer Method: Visual Check Reason for Failure: a) Not fitted in accordance with requirements. b) Not operational. c) Not illuminated. The manual wording is "clearly inoperative" (Mot manual Jan 2012 Section 6.3), it is referring to cases where the needle has fallen off or is wrapped around the end stop just past 140mph or suchlike. There is NO actual test of operation so if it looks like it should work, and illuminates it is a pass. |
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