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Scene well just look at the crazy prices of J metal and MK1 Golfs all current mass favourites.
I think the 350Z and Audi TT will be 2 of the current (2000+ era) cars that will go up in value sports cars that if you look for a normal car in a poster them 2 some how mange to just rub it with the bigger boys yet remained sensibly priced.
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Some days you just need to take a grinder to an inanimate object, just to make your day a tiny bit better!!
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well, i wanted an escort because the slightly older boys used to race them round the local one way system in the early 90s. nothing to do with their official race pedigree, potential value or rarity or whatever and everything to do with them being the coolest looking, fastest and best sounding boy racer cars in the town centre
i have had a few over the years (no RS ones though) but i know if i sell my mk1 now it'll almost definitely be the last one i own as i won't be able to afford another
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There's only one reason escorts are worth a lot, rallying and the TV coverage it got back in the day, escorts have allways been popular even befor the target demographic reached that gloden age (which I beleive is 40-50, kids are old enought to fend for themselve, morgage is nearly paid ect ect) just look at the aveadge age of escort owners who own the seriouse money escorts, 40 to 50 most of em, no need toguess just join an escort forum
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Alfa 155 do have a fine motorsport history,but they are now worth 2 balloons and a stick ! For now.
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Just don't plan your retirement with buying and selling them! look at the alfa 75 for example.
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Well, just to throw a spanner in the works, I will say that things definitely work differently in Australia. The main difference is probably that the whole curve is slowed down dramatically. Over here, cars generally last for ages and the values drag out accordingly. So, a five year old used car is still very expensive, a 10 year old car is starting to get affordable. It takes at least 20 years for cars to reach rock-bottom 'banger' money, then they seem to dwell down there for 10 years or so. Pretty much the same story here (California). Moved out from London 6 months ago and looking back I still can't get over the insane state of the UK car market. Absolutely saturated with good cars, going out with £1500 in my pocket would get me into all kinds of sexy old German metal, and I had to let my mint W201 go for a sodding grand the night before I left. Meanwhile in LA, any old domestic heap with a valid smog certificate is $2k+ here. Even cars with salvage (ie category write-off) titles fetch dough simply because everyone needs a car. I'd originally hoped to find a clean rust-free W201 but after viewing umpteen total sheds on the market for $3k and more, I knew it would take at least $6k to get a good one. Then I spoke to a local garage about obtaining a W123 wagon; "We've sold rough ones for $8,000, and the last one here went for 13. That one was quite nice though."All the good German stuff is still valued highly here because people remember the quality of them. In the UK they're looked upon as money pits because fuel's so expensive and they'd rather buy a newer VAG TDi for the daily commute. Couple that with what garbage the US was churning out in the '80s, whilst Europe was getting well and truly stuck into the hot hatch. No 205 GTIs, AX GTs, R5 GTTs or hot Clios here. Barely any Golfs - the Jetta outsold it by miles because thanks to the Ford Pinto and AMC Pacer, hatchbacks were apparently for losers! Even the Civic exists almost entirely in saloon 'sedan' form here. Oh, and the US didn't get the E30 or E36 Tourings Honestly, the UK doesn't know how good it has it when it comes to cool cars. Just look after them please so I can hoover some up if I ever come back ;D
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Well, just to throw a spanner in the works, I will say that things definitely work differently in Australia. The main difference is probably that the whole curve is slowed down dramatically. Over here, cars generally last for ages and the values drag out accordingly. So, a five year old used car is still very expensive, a 10 year old car is starting to get affordable. It takes at least 20 years for cars to reach rock-bottom 'banger' money, then they seem to dwell down there for 10 years or so. Pretty much the same story here (California). Moved out from London 6 months ago and looking back I still can't get over the insane state of the UK car market. Absolutely saturated with good cars, going out with £1500 in my pocket would get me into all kinds of sexy old German metal, and I had to let my mint W201 go for a sodding grand the night before I left. (edit) Honestly, the UK doesn't know how good it has it when it comes to cool cars. Just look after them please so I can hoover some up if I ever come back ;D So if it takes about £1000 a car to ship Mercs to the states, are there other hidden costs and do they have to be over 25 years' old or something? Would LHD Euro market Mercs with kph speedo be more desirable or RHD UK spec ones. (Hatches mad plot to turn holiday to California into tax deductable 'business' with '60s Mustang and a few old Motorbikes thrown into a container for the return trip...
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Hatches mad plot to turn holiday to California into tax deductable 'business' with '60s Mustang and a few old Motorbikes thrown into a container for the return trip... I don't think it's such a mad plan. There's an active Citroen XM thread on here just now that got me thinking about what would be involved in getting some fairly standard LHD French metal over here to prep for transfer to the US. The few French cars I can find advertised for sale there seem to be sufficiently more expensive than here or in France to justify shipping. There are almost certainly some hidden rules or other people would be doing it. I'm semi-seriously thinking about buying a banger and sending it to my mate in Boston to see what happens. One thing I do know is that there's a rolling 25 year exemption, as confirmed by a 'Merican in the XM thread.
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Last Edit: Jul 8, 2012 20:31:14 GMT by Battles
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Depending on where in the US you sent them, I think you'd have varied success selling RHD cars. Here in LA I don't think they'd be popular at all - Overtaking in traffic here is bad enough without being on the wrong side of the car. This is also the land of the parking lot, ticketed barriers and all. I wouldn't drive an RHD car here, but I'd drive an LHD in the UK.
If I was going to ship anything from Europe out here, it would be LHD E30 & E36 Tourings.
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Depending on where in the US you sent them, I think you'd have varied success selling RHD cars. I was already thinking about that, it might even be cheaper to get some of the more desirable cars from mainland Europe in LHD so it's a no-brainer. I've just come back onto RR after trawling BAT and a couple of other sites and your comment about E30 and E36 tourings is dead on. Want to go halfers on a Touring? There are a few LHD ones on Fleabay...
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I don't think its solely down to motorsport pedigree. Boy racer pedigree is as much of a reason too. I reckon in 25 years time there'll be a lot more people lusting after the modified Corsa that would smoke a 350z, than a 350z itself.
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Not sure about that, anything RWD has a massive advantage in the fun stakes, a rusty, knackered diesel transit van is more fun to drive than a hot FWD if its empty and the roads are wet.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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only one thing i know for sure, astra GTE's are still worth feck all compared to an S1 rs turbo.
there just seems to be more loyalty and brand identity with ford, even when there were superior cars from other marques.
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only one thing I know for sure, astra GTE's are still worth feck all compared to an S1 rs turbo. there just seems to be more loyalty and brand identity with ford, even when there were superior cars from other marques. That is probably because there rarely was superior cars from other marques, take a good look back at the 70's, ford led others followed and copyed, lets face it GM were the only real compitition back then and even into the 80s, ford had the race wins the sales and the aftermarket all coverd (RS parts ect). The GTE might be a fine car but you cant spent a weekend and £100 on it and double it's power, never mind the RS will blow up a week later Look at the R5 turbo craze of the later 80's, we used to call em the renault clitoris cos every cnut had one ;D (they were really annoying with there fastness ) they were everywhere but every car park and burger bar had 2 or 3 rens to about 50 fords and mayby 5 or 6 Vaux, they were just never as popular with the boy racers simply cos they didn't win as often on TV, win on sunday sell on monday was the mantra and it worked, very very well. The cortina started it and then the escort came along and simply went one (or more like 10) better even down to the lowest forms of motorsport like banger racing ford ruled and still do, i can sell 20 mondeos to a banger racer to 2 vectra and the vectra sell for less cos they are simply not wanted. Look at the viva sports hatch, lovely car handles well, looks well,, it looks very VERY 70's and yet how many sold? 190 odd how many RS2000s sold ? well TBH i have no real idea except a shatload more ! why cos the RS1800 was winning rallys and the viva wasn't, even if you choose to compair it (more correctly in my eyes) to the chevette, how many HSs were sold? still nowhere in comparison to the RS2000, ford had it all, success on and off the track and more importantly on the road and it's those 50ish boy racers from the 70's who are now richer and in the middle of a midlife crisis who are paying the cash, i cant ever see an RS2000 selling for under 2G, what did the sports hatch make ? well my old one made £100 for parts (twas 15 years ago) but even then an RS2000 at it's lowest would still pull in well over a grand so even at the lowest ebb of the price line they still made 5,6,7 times the eqiv from other manufacturers. By the 90's there were way more manufacturers on the scene, the Japs exploded on the scene, vaux got it's act together in the BTCC and ford lost it's lions share to many many other smaller niches, still at the top but with a much smaller percentage of followers. All IMHO from the vauge memory of being there at the meets and burger bars, some i'd prefer to forget some i'm amazed it got away with ;D
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when thinking of shipping cars out to the USA, you have to remember that not all states have the same rules, and in some cases the rules are federal.
Anyway
The problem is that there is no IVA in the USA. If you bring a car to the UK you can get it IVA'd if it needs it and if its 10 years old it doesn't so you can just MOT it and drive it.
My understanding is that in the USA **everything** needs to be approved by the manufacturer / federal government as being compliant to US standards. No get around except for certain low volume classic cars which then can only be used for shows and not as general road use cars.
Some guy on another forum spent about half a lifetime trying to get an R32 Skyline road legal there.
There is a 25 year rolling exception in California for smog compliance but the state Governor (Arnold Schwartzeneger) was trying to overturn this and fix smog compliance back to like 1972 models.
This is why all Minis going out to the USA from UK go on hooky pre-1972 log books...
Another example of how we have it easy here and yet we still complain how hard we have it....
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Stuff that pops the balloon of my Only Fools... style get rich quick scheme Good explanation of the complexities, shame that I'm not about to get rich shipping old Beemers and Pugs to a new life in the sun. There might be relaxed rules in Florida for some reason, I'm judging this by the comments posted whenever BAT, Hooniverse or the like post an unusual foreign car that appears to have been registered in the US. The thing about Minis and Landies sneaking un as pre-'72 vehicles has always bugged me and I've read about the guys who ended up with their R32s confiscated.
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Not sure about that, anything RWD has a massive advantage in the fun stakes, a rusty, knackered diesel transit van is more fun to drive than a hot FWD if its empty and the roads are wet. Rollocks!
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Last Edit: Jul 9, 2012 15:15:16 GMT by Fiat Daft
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That is probably because there rarely was superior cars from other marques not to dissagree with my own self deprecating post, but i meant technically superior cars. the scene and following eclipsed even that.
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Back to using power of advertising to compound motorsport success, buy a Ford Mexico, OH YESSS! but a Hillman Sydney? err.....who? Well call it a Hunter GT. Anyone can stick GT on a car but add words like Sebring, Le Mans etc into the colour choice and a Rallye Sport (RS) to the faster models and options, it's an open goal. Pictures of Roger Clarke eating chips between stages make the guy in the street think "He looks normal, I can be linked to a little bit of that" Unfortuntely GM didn't appear to monopolise their stars like the great Gerry Marshall as much. I have always thought the Firenza was a far nicer looking car than the Capri, but not pushed as much. The HB Viva's were succesful in circuit racing but again, not publicised enough. Selling the sizzle shizzle always wins.
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74 Mk1 Escort 1360, 1971 Vauxhall Victor SL2000 Estate.
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