Lancia Fulvia restoration

[riverhead]

Hi
I'm new to this lark, so here goes.
I've bought a 73 fulvia coupe 1.3.
Looks pretty sound so far.
I'm trying to get it started.
Bought as a non runner .
Has spark at plugs.
Just put new ones in.
Didn't check gap? Essential??
Turn on, no firing at all.
Area around plugs is pretty oily.
I thought that would burn off with heat.
The fuel pump is electric. Conversion I assume?
It keeps. 'Ticking ' when the ignition is on.
Put my finger over fuel pipe when removed and ticking stops.
Is the carb float chamber stuck ?
Plugs looked wet.
Anyone any suggestions?
Anyone got an exploded diagram of the Solex?

I'm okay at doing stuff, but not very technical.
Was looking at Goldmrust postings going, wow he can balance carbs. Like to know how to do that .
Any help appreciated .
I'm
Going to put her up on blocks soon and have a good look underneath .
Anyone tell me what to look for.?
The car seems quite solid.
I need a new boot and bonnet if anyone knows of a good one around?
Cheers
Huw

[riverhead]

How do I post pictures.?
It's got 46k miles on clock. I think genuine.

[monkeytennis]

many many questions! but… firstly you say you have a good spark,.. so eliminate that from things that may be the problem. you mention the plugs look wet, are they wet with petrol,.. or oil? if petrol then it's safe to say that you have the basics there for it to run <the fuel pump will tick all the time it's on… they all make that sound> so a little thought is required.If the plugs are soaking with petrol then you've probably flooded them,.. clean them one by one with a rag and put them back in, they DON'T need to be tight, just nipped up and then a little more is sufficient. are there any blockages in the air filter pipes? and have you tried a little squirt of easy start or something similar? don't go messing with anything on the carb until your sure everything else is working perfectly.

easiest way to post photos is to host them on a site like photo bucket, once they're uploaded it gives you a link with img tags either side,.. copy and paste that link into where you write your message on here, and it should work.

mike.

P.S. does this have a distributor with mechanical points? if so you must check the gap… it is critical and makes a big difference to the chance you have getting the car running, and running well.

[riverhead]

Thanks mike.
Good advice on the points.
I'll try have another crack st it this weekend.
There's no water in the house as the water pipe has burst somewhere.
I'll have to pressure test the pipes and try find the leak.
Love to be under the hood of the Fulvia though .
Il have a look at the points. I am hoping its electronic ignition.
If the pump keeps ticking whilst connected to the carbs does that not mean there is fluid passing.
When I put my finger over the removed supply pipe the ticking stops . Hence my suspicion that because of the ticking another discharge of fluid is occurring.
I'll take the plugs and clean them . They are new NGK 's.
Thanks again for advice .
I'll let you know how things go.
Also have to figure how to change photo on my name icon!
Huw

[riverhead]

Thanks mike.
Good advice on the points.
I'll try have another crack st it this weekend.
There's no water in the house as the water pipe has burst somewhere.
I'll have to pressure test the pipes and try find the leak.
Love to be under the hood of the Fulvia though .
Il have a look at the points. I am hoping its electronic ignition.
If the pump keeps ticking whilst connected to the carbs does that not mean there is fluid passing.
When I put my finger over the removed supply pipe the ticking stops . Hence my suspicion that because of the ticking another discharge of fluid is occurring.
I'll take the plugs and clean them . They are new NGK 's.
Thanks again for advice .
I'll let you know how things go.
Also have to figure how to change photo on my name icon!
Huw

[riverhead]

Thanks mike.
Good advice on the points.
I'll try have another crack st it this weekend.
There's no water in the house as the water pipe has burst somewhere.
I'll have to pressure test the pipes and try find the leak.
Love to be under the hood of the Fulvia though .
Il have a look at the points. I am hoping its electronic ignition.
If the pump keeps ticking whilst connected to the carbs does that not mean there is fluid passing.
When I put my finger over the removed supply pipe the ticking stops . Hence my suspicion that because of the ticking another discharge of fluid is occurring.
I'll take the plugs and clean them . They are new NGK 's.
Thanks again for advice .
I'll let you know how things go.
Also have to figure how to change photo on my name icon!
Huw

[riverhead]

Thanks mike.
Good advice on the points.
I'll try have another crack st it this weekend.
There's no water in the house as the water pipe has burst somewhere.
I'll have to pressure test the pipes and try find the leak.
Love to be under the hood of the Fulvia though .
Il have a look at the points. I am hoping its electronic ignition.
If the pump keeps ticking whilst connected to the carbs does that not mean there is fluid passing.
When I put my finger over the removed supply pipe the ticking stops . Hence my suspicion that because of the ticking another discharge of fluid is occurring.
I'll take the plugs and clean them . They are new NGK 's.
Thanks again for advice .
I'll let you know how things go.
Also have to figure how to change photo on my name icon!
Huw

[riverhead]

Wow replying 4 times.
I'm a real beginner here!

[monkeytennis]

how's it getting on? any closer to firing her up?

[riverhead]

Hi Mike
Won't get a chance to do anything this week is say.
Work is up the walls. Taking delivery of a micro brewery for next two weeks and building a bar around it.
Hope to get to it in about three weeks.
Trying to research as much as possible as I have little spare time.
I'm savouring hearing her running.
I've bought a new battery but it's too big! I'll have to extend leads so I'll have the power if she needs lots if turns .
I've been away from petrol engines a long time.
It will take me a while to get the hang of sorting these things out.
I reckon it's fuel related.
The answer will come.
Thanks again
Huw

[riverhead]

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Not sure if that photo is showing but just learning how to do this.
It's the car coming off the ramp after getting her.
Still not starting.
73 S2 fulvia1.3l.
46 k on clock and still original spare wheel cover.
She's not running so I'm having a stab in the dark after the advice above, I started with removing plugs and let cylinders evaporate out after a good turning.
I was checking out fuel supply.
Trying to see that breather pipes and supply were fine,
Taking off fuel supply pipe and oppps. This happens.

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Broke the brass nipple holding pipe.
Feck!
Whilst looking I saw a load of silicon around manifold gasket and got concerned.
I decided to strip the carbs off.
Clean the with compressed air and petrol.
Yep, that gasket has been really messed with.
I remember a post of copper based silicone to seal the joint.
So before that I'd left the pump ticking and pumped the throttle.
Only one Venturi showed fluid being jetted into chamber.
I think that's my starting point .
Any advice?
I've taken top of carb1 to get machined and get a new nipple inserted.
Hope I can. I'll try Murphys in Cork, I'm there tomorrow.
Took a deposit for the rusty 319 merc. James in Barndarrig. He'll pick it up in few weeks.
A brave man. I did one years ago and it's hard going doing that kinda rebuild.
Anyone have suggestions how I proceed?
Never cleaned a carb bigger than a lawn mower carb.
Setting the floats will be a test too.

Thanks
H

[kev13s]

Hi Hew, sorry I'm not in a position to help with carbs, not my forte. Just one thing is the rubber spacer between engine and carb intact? This is a common failure because the little rod that supports the front of the carburettor gets broken or disconnected, the rubber is saucy enough so make sure it's there when you reassemble.

[kev13s]

You should pop over to the guys at the lancia club Ireland for some help, we've already had a discussion about you're car.

[riverhead]

Hi Kev
Yes I will. They meet in the goat? I'm working a lot in cork at the mo so I'm up and down a lot.

Do they know much about my car ? I'd love some background knowledge. Do you have any? Everything I have is sketchy at best.
Yes I took the rubber gasket off today. It looks good. I'll get Murphys in cork to check it.
I see from Goldmrust post it would be about €200. Feck that I hope.

[kev13s]

There should be no need to check it when they fail it's a fairly obvious split. Don't know any history on you're car first I seen of it was when it popped up on done deal, taught it looked like a bit of a project and I believe I may have called the guy who bought it foolish. That would make me incredibly dumb by the way because mine was way worse than yours when I got mine!
I have a bootlid down here if you want to see if it's better than yours?

[riverhead]

Hi Kev,
Ha I think we are all foolish when it comes to old cars!
That's why we love em!!!
I'd love to have a look at the boot.
Mine is pretty shot.
I'm getting the brass nipple turned down so I should be able to repair it by drilling put the old one and setting it in.
I'll use Loctite to seal it .
I hope it's not a heap of junk, but then again whatever I do will improve it.
I'm really looking forward to driving it.
I want to take it Electric Picnic .

I'll be doing more at it in a couple of weeks.
Where in Wexford are you? Love to see yours to get some inspiration.

[goldnrust]

I wouldn't worry about your fuel pump keeping pumping, the Fulvia runs a return line, so once the carbs are full it should just pump fuel down the return line and into the tank.

Regarding the accelerator pump, it shouldn't stop it from starting/running, as long as there are no other issues and you give it plenty of choke to start up. There's an adjustment for the amount of accelerator pump under the carb, a small nut on the end of a rod. Tighten the nut down a few turns to get more accelerator pump, you may find one of your carbs is just poorly adjusted. The carb which has got one barrel with fuel squirting and one without probably needs cleaning out.

Give the points a good checking over, they all came with points so if it is electronic ignition then its an aftermarket fit. Equally check the plug gaps, for points you want them down near 0.6mm, new plugs are normally gapped much wider for modern engines.

[kev13s]

I'm in gorey so only about 30 mins away from you. I wouldn't worry about it bieng a piece of junk if the body is sound the mechanical bits are pretty bulletproof, how sound is the body?
My body got half front wings, sills, and new floors so she should see me right for a few years.

[kev13s]

As goldenrust said they didn't come with electronic ignition, I bought a pertronix unit that fits into the existing distributer.

[riverhead]

Hi Lads,
I checked the spark plugs and adjusted them.
Points ill do.
When I get the top of the carb fixed with fuel
Inlet connector fixed and fully cleaN the carbs it will hopefully start.
Took me ages even to find the choke pull!
The gasket looks good. I'm gonna get some of the copper base silicon for gasket glue and seal it nice and even.
Looks like it was a problem before.
Someone tried to seal it with black domestic silicon.
One of the bolts look a bit suspect.
With all that done i bet the car will fire.
Petrol looks very dark. Maybe there was an additive put in.
I'll drain that and put fresh petrol in it.
Lot of rusty brown crud in the bottom of float chamber.

I'll have a real good look under her when I've got her going.
I like that excitement before I have to go looking for structural problems.
I'm also working on a Vw T4 camper 2.4 Td.
Putting a new Reimo roof on it.
I'm trying to sell that before the summer season.
Was my dads. He used it once.
I've a T25 diesel too. Been sitting about 6 years. That will be the family bus.
Too many toys and projects.
Keep the advice coming guys, I'm building up good direction and energy to get this beauty flying again .