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I bought it yesterday, lol. Chatted back and forth and came to a deal. I had asked him if he could wrap it up for a courier to collect. Was looking for quotes for delivery to Glasgow from Preston and they were all about £50 or so… I have a Panda 1.3 Diesel and I reckoned I'd use £25 worth of fuel if I was lucky, so I arranged with the fella to collect the engine last night. A mad dash in the pouring rain and a 6.5 hour round trip later I was home with a new engine! I averaged 71.5 MPG! The guy was a top notch bloke and the engine is minted. It's been really well reconditioned. Compression is great, all new gaskets, everything torqued up nicely. So today I got stuck in and two hours later... All back together again! The new engine is soooo smooth and quiet (compared to the last one, I realise now that the noise the old one made was never correct and that the bearing must been sh@gged for a while!) I wish I took more photos of the removal and install as a sort of how to guide, but I get so carried away! Just need set the timing properly and run her in gently. Back on the road once more! Cheers, Scott. Well done - you are obviously fairly handy with the spanners so why not re-condition your old engine yourself as a nice insurance policy for the future or even to swap back in when completed - then after a run in and shakedown you have a good engine with some history or reliability to sell on........ I have considered this option but the biggest problem with it is the cost of a replacement piston and barrel. You can get a rebored set but they're €250! I'll keep an eye out for another poorly engine and make one good out of the two. Recycling and all that! I'm going to make a timing tool up tomorrow and hopefully have it in its sweet spot. The slightest difference in timing can make a huge difference to such a small engine... Just need to try to remember to photograph so I can pass on the experience to others! Haha Cheers for your kind words chaps! Scott.
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bstardchild
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Oct 10, 2014 11:51:49 GMT
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I have considered this option but the biggest problem with it is the cost of a replacement piston and barrel. You can get a rebored set but they're €250! I'll keep an eye out for another poorly engine and make one good out of the two. Recycling and all that! I'm going to make a timing tool up tomorrow and hopefully have it in its sweet spot. The slightest difference in timing can make a huge difference to such a small engine... So was the engine already max oversize or is the scoring too bad to be covered by a max oversize rebore with new pistons?
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cianha
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Oct 10, 2014 11:53:01 GMT
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Great, Scott! That's a result in any book.
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I have considered this option but the biggest problem with it is the cost of a replacement piston and barrel. You can get a rebored set but they're €250! I'll keep an eye out for another poorly engine and make one good out of the two. Recycling and all that! I'm going to make a timing tool up tomorrow and hopefully have it in its sweet spot. The slightest difference in timing can make a huge difference to such a small engine... So was the engine already max oversize or is the scoring too bad to be covered by a max oversize rebore with new pistons? Well, I say it's a score, I suppose gouge would be better, lol. If it could take a rebore it would be really oversize, and by the time you did the other barrel and sourced two pistons I'd be aswell as just buying the new set! However, that doesn't mean it'll go to waste. I've been thinking of using the old crankcase as the basis of an experiment. Whilst looking for an engine I got chatting to a friend who is into jetskis and it seems that he could know where I could get a cheap engine and I quite fancy the challenge of making it work. Maybe not necessarily in my trabi but maybe for someone else, I mean, how hard can it be?!
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Great, Scott! That's a result in any book. Thanks man, it sure is! Gaelic Trabi's represent!!
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Have you seen that you can buy pistons and liners that convert it to 800cc. Might be a way to recycle the old lump.
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bstardchild
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Oct 11, 2014 11:36:21 GMT
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Have you seen that you can buy pistons and liners that convert it to 800cc. Might be a way to recycle the old lump. That would be my next question - can you get the barrels re-lined
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Oct 11, 2014 16:46:59 GMT
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It's not a cheep at 350 Euros, but it would make the trabi shift quite well.
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Oct 12, 2014 19:44:16 GMT
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It's not a cheep at 350 Euros, but it would make the trabi shift quite well. Hmmm… I think that if I wanted speed then I'd go the jet ski engine route. They're ten a penny, still two stroke but are good for 70 horses upwards. I'll have to have a wee think about the gubbed engine. I think I'll just keep an eye out for another knackered engine and make one good one out the two. That'll be the cheapest way. I've set the timing on it and it's going well enough now. Going slow is all part of the Trabant experience! Thought I'd document the procedure incase anyone else wants to do theirs. I couldn't find a walk though in English so hopefully this helps. This technique works for the EBZA controlled ignition system. First step is to take out the plugs and take off the air filter Then get yourself a dowel of some description that will fit down the spark plug hole and won't fall in. Then stick in cylinder one (the one closest to the gearbox) and turn the engine to TDC. Get down on your hunkers watch the movement closely, you'll see TDC quite easily. Get yourself a straight edge, I used a metal spirit level, but a steel rule would be good. Make a mark on your dowel for TDC... Now remove the dowel and measure up 3.5mm. Most things I've read say measure up either 3 or 4mm so 3.5 seemed a good idea to me. It's about 23 degrees BTDC. Now turn the engine back to meet the mark you've made. Now you're going to wire up a light to the +ve and -ve terminals on cylinder number 1's coil Turn the ignition on. The light may be on on or off at this point. Regardless, take the cover off of the EBZA timing unit on the end of the crankshaft then loosen the two screws on the outer plate (1) Rotate the plate until the bulb just goes out, hold the plate still and nip the screws back up. This is the timing set for number one cylinder. Now repeat the process for number two cylinder, remembering to wire up the light to number twos coil now, but this time when you're adjusting the plate, loosen the screws on the inner part (2) and rotate this until the bulb just goes out. It's necessary to do it for both cylinders because of the way the Trabant's crank is put together. The two pistons aren't always exactly 180 degrees apart. Some are 181, some 179, some even more out. Once you set it for number 2, tighten the plate screws up, stick the cover on and put it back together. Timing makes all the difference to old cars, especially a little two cylinder like the Trabi. Every little helps. Now it's running great. I never knew that it could pull so well. The old engine took ages to get from 40mph up to 55. Now it's no bother! Well chuffed! Scott.
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Oct 12, 2014 21:21:16 GMT
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Thanks for explain how it's done, I wanted to check the timing on mine. I split the crank cace on my spare motor and found that the bearing on the flywheel end had failed. This had marked the top of the piston and head but not damaged the Piston rings or cylinder walls. And it appears that the rest of the bottom end is ok, just need to clean it all up fit a new bearing. I would like to have a go at a bit of porting & pollishing on this lump. Never done it before so I will have to do some homework. The idea of a jet ski motor sounds good, for now I would like to keep a trabi lump in mine and tweek it, mybe not quite to the extent of my friends racing trabi in Hungry as much fun as it would be, I don't think I could put up with almost single figure fule consumption.
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Oct 12, 2014 22:04:02 GMT
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I suggested a snowmobile engine a couple of pages back But still, Not sure if it's your thing, but BRP (who own polaris, Rotax and can-am etc) do a Supercharged, Direct Injection 2 stroke jetski.... That would be a fun engine to adapt.
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Oct 12, 2014 22:45:36 GMT
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Thanks for explain how it's done, I wanted to check the timing on mine. I split the crank cace on my spare motor and found that the bearing on the flywheel end had failed. This had marked the top of the piston and head but not damaged the Piston rings or cylinder walls. And it appears that the rest of the bottom end is ok, just need to clean it all up fit a new bearing. I would like to have a go at a bit of porting & pollishing on this lump. Never done it before so I will have to do some homework. The idea of a jet ski motor sounds good, for now I would like to keep a trabi lump in mine and tweek it, mybe not quite to the extent of my friends racing trabi in Hungry as much fun as it would be, I don't think I could put up with almost single figure fule consumption. yeah, I know what you mean. A little bit of porting and polishing would make a difference, as would a the mikuni carb conversion. Maybe that's a good little project for you for over the winter! I suggested a snowmobile engine a couple of pages back But still, Not sure if it's your thing, but BRP (who own polaris, Rotax and can-am etc) do a Supercharged, Direct Injection 2 stroke jetski.... That would be a fun engine to adapt. I know pal, the jet ski engine was based on your suggestion as they'd be easier for me to come by! Not sure there's really a lot of difference between them to be honest. For the moment she's definitely staying standard, that's the vision I had for her, but one is allowed to dream! A supercharged engine would be great fun… just not sure the gearbox could handle it! haha. Cheers, Scott.
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All good, sometimes things get lost in text. Yeh, we have a distinct lack of snowmobiles (and snow) here as well, but plenty of jetskis.
I know it's a commy car, but were the gearbox designs stolen off a western car? Might be able to find something that is virtually identical but for a bigger/more powerful car.
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cianha
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Oct 13, 2014 12:48:06 GMT
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Nice work Scott!
Engine and box are from a pre-war DKW design for their F8.
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Oct 13, 2014 18:47:03 GMT
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Nice work Scott! Engine and box are from a pre-war DKW design for their F8. Yeah, that's right. Although I was quite surprised when I took the old engine out and it was stamped Barkas! The new engine is stamped with the Barkas logo, it doesn't say it, but still, I'd had thought it would've been stamped with an S for Sachsenring because I thought VEB Sachsenring owned the factory in Chemnitz where the engines were made, but maybe it was a Barkas factory. Still, I seriously doubt the gearbox would take much more than 60 or 70lbs-ft of torque reliably. If I were to go down the gearbox replacement route in order to accommodate a more powerful engine, I'd rather try and come up with a solution for a front wheel drive motorcycle engined application as the gearbox is part of the final assembly. Maybe try and stick in the water-cooled FJR1300 Yamaha engine . That's a project for another year however, and I'd only try it on a knackered car with a knackered engine, I couldn't face taking apart a nice tidy example… it's sacrilegious! That would make a serious performing little car then!
Scott.
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cianha
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Nov 25, 2014 13:52:57 GMT
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