IVA info, please.

[sixlover]

Can anyone tell me the real truth about IVA? I have a Burlington chassis with all Spitfire bits. I have a Spitfire V5.
A friend got his much modified Arrow registered with a bit of a tale and call to DVLA in Ipswich. Cost him £48-50 apparently.

That, I would consider, but I am NOT paying £450 for some suit to check his clipboard.
If there's a dodgy way of doing it, I'm in. Bad Law needs bringing down!

Martin

[bobblegut]

Well if you want to do something dodgy , why don't you ask your dodgy mate ?  

[sixlover]

He did it through DVLA, Ipswich. Hardly dodgy, but unfortunately he doesn't make a whole lot of sense. They issued him with a new number too, but I can't find out why when they were effectively accepting the logbook that came with the car originally. I should know, as I sold him the car!

Martin

[PandaSelecta]

Would rather do everything legit and pay the £450, rather than risk my car

[Rob M]

Jul 20, 2014 21:07:13 GMT sixlover said:

He did it through DVLA, Ipswich. Hardly dodgy, but unfortunately he doesn't make a whole lot of sense. They issued him with a new number too, but I can't find out why when they were effectively accepting the logbook that came with the car originally. I should know, as I sold him the car!

Martin

Maybe this will help?
www.toyne.org.uk/docs-reg.html

[Dez]

dvla local offices are all shut now, so you don't have that option anymore. depends when he did it, as they went through a stage of rubber stamping anything once they knew they were shutting, presumably cos the staff didnt give a $hit anymore once they knew they were loosing their jobs.
also, posting on a public forum you want to do it the 'dodgy' way probably isnt the cleverest idea

[ratchart]

These sort of threads on other forums usually end quite horribly so I'll direct you to The ACE - www.the-ace.org.uk/ now who can provide you with all the facts you need.

[Nathan]

Edited as it will only get turned around on me.

[dodgerover]

Is there an owners forum for the Burlington chassis to tell you how its been done before?

[MrSpeedy]

Did the Burlington not use the Spitfire/vitesse chassis also?
If so, then it's a simple 'rebody' on an existing chassis

If not, then it's an IVA and Quality plate if you don't want to live with the constant fear of having your car confiscated and crushed.

[jikovron]

Is it actually a criminal offence to end up outside of the type approval points system and as such be subject to vehicle confiscation/crushing and draconian criminal proceedings after being pulled for a spot check or is it merely a civil formality.

Assuming the car isnt ID 'ringed', insurance is up to spec and its registered in the right capacity tax band etc surely the above is not likely one iota and the expectation would be that the dvla/vosa would just take ages to send you a letter to the wrong address implying that your car at a certain date has no longer a registration attached to it and that an iva is the way to get it sorted out, of which i believe would be vastly more productive than merely digital civil punishment

i'd imagine that the system works like most in that minor diversions from the set indentity points standard would be undetectable or trivial enough to be ignored but flagrant abuse would flag up pretty quickly and be dealt with via the rules (probably not in the way of financial or similar punishment as most hysteria suggests)

also as pointed out a public domain is a poor place to seek a way of alleged 'wrong doing' haha

[chairchild]

I'd assume they could take the ground that the MOT isn't valid, as it doesn't belong to the car - due to the nature of the point system, the identity of the car it was assigned to, doesn't actually exist.

No MOT, means the insurance isn't valid - so they can take the car


Just an assumption - but when trying to make a ringer, always assume the worst (and yes, it's a ringer, if you're trying to use the ID from one chassis, on another)

[jikovron]

a legal precedent would be a good guide to base situational potentials upon as i don't believe they would jump to a situation of no mot due to no identity ,I believe due to the complex nature of vehicle id they would look to seek more solid evidence via a conclusive VIC check which would sensibly start a paperwork mechanism that would see you eventually going for an IVA
but as i say a concise real situation would at least give a guide only similar situations like getting a DRO or whichever its called would be comparible or finding that a VIC check causes the V5C to be recinded after they have satisfied their mind on the matter

[Dez]

if they want to do you, theyll do you, simple as that. the easiest way is by the lack of mot= lack of insurance method mentioned above.

but, conversely, it has come straight from the horses mouth recently that the powers that be arent looking to use these rules to prosecute people who fall foul of the points system by accident as it were, due to modifications on a build, or by buying an already existing built-up car that was built long enough ago for it not to have been an issue then- hence the pre-96 'amnesty'.
they want the rules there to actively persue the owners of 'regularly ringed' vehicles that they think are iffy- land rovers, minis, beetles, etc. so they can do them for evading paying the road fund licence. people like the guy local to me running a td5 on a '72 series book.
what it basically comes down to is they want easy cases to prosecute. a cut and dried 'thats not the vehicle he says it is' they can fine the owner for in court or reposess the vehicle to sell at auction, rather than an enthusiast who has more knowledge than them of the particular vehicle who ties up their resources arguing the toss with them then probably gets their way anyway with the backing of the owners club.

[MrSpeedy]

^^^ And it would be fairly obvious that a Burlington is not a Spitfire!

[dodgerover]

Has it ever been on the road before?

[composimmonite]

IMO the aftermarket / non original Burlington chassis automatically means the Spitfire identity has been lost. If you can prove enough of the components came from the Spitfire, for which you hold the V5, the DVLA points rule applies and then after IVA you MIGHT get an age related number. I very much doubt a Burlington, build as per the plans, would pass a IVA. I have a set of the plans, purchased with the intention of building based on a Herald I used to own, but found realised the rules have changed since the original design drawings were made and substantial modifications would be required to conform to current regulations.

[jikovron]

i agree with what is said about the likes of questionable landrovers and minis etc because the aim of that is to fraudulently save a measly amount of cash i just like the idea of decent debate on the subject to gain insight into what goes on when snagged by the system evidently a kit car chassis is not a spitfire but as its a single source kit then a Q plate is not the implied final result after a BIVA test
i personally like the idea of a Q as such once its a mishmash of parts in a modified chassis then it drops off the IVA radar as it has no identity beyond eccentric unclassified bitsa of unknown origin in theory

[composimmonite]

Jul 22, 2014 11:50:46 GMT jikovron said:

i personally like the idea of a Q as such once its a mishmash of parts in a modified chassis then it drops off the IVA radar as it has no identity beyond eccentric unclassified bitsa of unknown origin in theory

When I was searching for a Marlin I was very happy that the Roadster I bought was Q reg as I intend to modify (changing engine from Marina 1800TC to Austin Healey Sprite 1275)

Paul H

[VIP]

Jul 21, 2014 20:43:22 GMT chairchild said:

No MOT, means the insurance isn't valid

No it doesn't, otherwise how would you drive an expired MOT'd car to the MOT station with legal insurance in force?

Insurance policies usually require that the vehicle is 'Roadworthy', the status of the MOT is irrelevant in that case, you can have an un-MOT'd car that is roadworthy, and an MOT'd car that is unroadworthy.