omega
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now I know if you fit this you can make your car lower etc but is it a good as a sports set up?
can you make it harder etc?
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Air ride can make your car lower but do you ever hear of a rally or race car on air suspension
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omega
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Air ride can make your car lower but do you ever hear of a rally or race car on air suspension Dave no that's why iam asking to find out,as I was reading a thread about fiting to a lotus so it pricked my intrest and as I don't know thought I would ask to find out. |
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tell me about air ridefr€$h&m1nt¥
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Funnily enough FastCar magazine have set out to prove the rumour that cars on air ride can't go fast by racing their newly kitted 350Z. It's going to be in the next issue I'm afraid so will have to wait a couple of weeks. From a personal perspective my front struts are based on Gaz adjustable coilovers so you can adjust the stiffness using an adaptor on the central strut pin. Unfortunately my car is a slow box with basically a sofa as seats so I can't comment on race pedigree on air vs coilovers.  |
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Air ride can make your car lower but do you ever hear of a rally or race car on air suspension Dave Yes. Plenty.   www.airsociety.net/2011/12/mini-cooper-s-racing-air-airrex/Actually, air-ride is probably the most adaptable for racing, as you can change the characteristics of your suspension in 'real time'. A lot of Pro-Touring cars in the States run air-bag suspension and they run on track and time trials all the time. Ride Tech have been making fully adjustable race-spec air suspension set-ups for years, plus don't forget some of the Paris-Dakar vehicles use air bagged suspension as well. You might be interested in this article where stock-vs-coilover-vs-airride test is carried out on 3 identical cars. www.europeancarweb.com/tech/1311_coilovers_vs_air_suspension/ |
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omega
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thanks for all the info and links,off to have a read do you think I should forward them to
penrhynrallycenter?
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How dare you that is IGNORANT to say the least.........don't come on here asking silly qustions then.....I build rally cars for a living and don't touch roundy roundy namby pamby cars
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How dare you that is IGNORANT to say the least.........don't come on here asking silly qustions then.....I build rally cars for a living and don't touch roundy roundy namby pamby cars Dave He didn't ask a silly question, he asked if it was viable to run air as a sports package and you implied that it isn't used on rally or RACE cars. |
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How dare you that is IGNORANT to say the least.........don't come on here asking silly qustions then.....I build rally cars for a living and don't touch roundy roundy namby pamby cars Dave Rally cars? You mean cars that run over rough terrain? Yeah, bagged vehicles have been there too.  It's been around on race cars longer than you think... www.speedhunters.com/2014/05/know-real-history-air-suspension/ |
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Last Edit: Aug 7, 2014 7:18:17 GMT by VIP
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Iain
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That Speedhunters link is a great read.
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omega
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How dare you that is IGNORANT to say the least.........don't come on here asking silly qustions then.....I build rally cars for a living and don't touch roundy roundy namby pamby cars Dave yes iam IGNORANT about air ride as I thought it was just used on low riders for the looks or large cars for a smooth ride so when I saw it being fitted to a sports car I wanted to find out more.as life is all about learning when you don't know you ask to find out so you learn and as there are a wide range of skills and experience on here I was asking to find out to add to my knowledge. you said " do you hear of a rally or race car on air suspension" now as you didn't ask this as a question I took it as a statement.now as you build rally cars I thought it was you that was IGNORANT and wanted to help you by passing on these links to you to give you the knowledge as well. |
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Dez
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Omega, FYI this isn't the first time he's made a tit of himself shouting his mouth off an offering his 'expert opinion' on here. Best just to ignore him I think, the opinion he portrays as fact has quite clearly been debunked by all the links above.
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Air lift developed their air ride systems in NASCAR. The newer street air lift kits are damper adjustable and also have threads like coilovers to fine tune the drop etc.
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Thanks Omega for posing the question in the first place and to all the people who passed on their knowledge and have opened my eyes as I thought it was only for lowering and had always wondered how it actually rode. It has given me naughty ideas.  |
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in real on-the-road terms, the biggest problem you will have is getting your damping rate right for your spring rate, so they are never under damped(bouncy) or over damped(ramping up). an airbag is basically an infinately adjustable spring, which you are then likey going to couple with an infinately adjustable damper(well, within certain perameters).
finding the point where the two cross over, and at a PSI that give an acceptable ride height, can be very tricky, and take a lot of trial and error. tbh most cars on air end up under-damped, which makes people think they 'handle badly', which is a fallacy- they're no worse than a mismatched damper and normal coil spring combo.
how they are valved is important too- cheap curse word kits like rayvern are only valved front/rear, meaning your left and right springs aren't independent- they 'share' they air as they are T-pieced after the valve block, so they rely solely on the stock ARBs to prevent body roll, which is a pretty curse word way of doing things, as the stock ARBs aren't stiff enough for this to work, they're designed to work with/against the stock springs. valve your setup 4-way, so your bags are 4 truly independent springs, and it will greatly improve your handling.
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specifically to alter the spring rate the volume of the bag needs changing too, the same as changing coil spring length, adjusting the pressure is like adjusting thw wire diameter within the same length
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The stanceworks imp has just had air fitted and talking to the guy at Imp National he can fine tune the ride and stiffness, I too thought it was only for lowriders but no, it can be used to set a car up for handling.
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Aug 13, 2014 20:59:29 GMT
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I'm looking into air bags for my rally car, i wont go into too much detail , but its looking really promising!
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