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Aug 12, 2014 12:16:49 GMT
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Hey, new to the forum and hope someone might be able to help me.
I know it's been discussed a few times but I've not seen any definitive answers so here goes:
I have a mk3 ford capri and I know most people hate the idea of a diesel in one, but for me, it's the only justifiable way I'll be able to keep it without spending every bit of money I have running it.
So my question is: would I be able to put a 1.8td engine from a 95/96 mondeo into it? And what would I need to do in order to get it all working? It currently has a 2 litre pinto and type9 gearbox. I'm guessing I wouldn't be able to stick with the petrol gearbox?
I love the sound of the pinto and everything but can't justify spending £150 every 2 weeks running it, so a diesel conversion just seems to be the best way I can keep the looks of the car but with the economy of a diesel.
Any help will be appreciated, Thanks Paul
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bortaf
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Aug 12, 2014 13:08:12 GMT
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Like this ? The mondeo engine is basicly the same as the sierra engine (IF it's a 1.8 ?) but to get it in a capri you are better off starting with a RWD engine as you need a lot of RWD parts to get it to fit, like the front cover rear oil seal and water pump. It will go on a petrol box but you need to use a FWD flywheel (thinner) and sort a starter motor that matches the petrol B/H and the diesel flywheel, as standard the diesel uses a V6 box (the diesel B/H is deeper and has the starter in a differant position to the petrol B/H). Personly i allways start with a RWD engine (usually one or two blown or snapped cam belts ones on ebay) then rebuild the FWD block to RWD spec, it's way easyer as in RWD spec all the hoses point in the right direction, FWD inlet and exhaust manifolds will foul the RWD engine mounts so you need those as well and the FWD turbo wont fit so you need RWD turbo as well OR you ned to make lots of one off parts to get it to fit, easyer to just get a RWD TD and start from there, the last RWD engine i bought cost me £4.50 off ebay (pluss fuel to collect it ), i then got a FWD head to replace the broken cam on the RWD engine and that's now waiting to go into my Mk5 cortina come winter (when my workshop is quieter of customers and i can do my own thing), prev done the conversion to a Mk3 cortina and 2 sierras, sierra being really easy and the engine mounts are avauilable for the cortinas i swapped the pinto mounts over side to side and cut and bent them to fit. If you seach google and on here you'll find a capri converted a few years back, (scareyoldcortina i think it was ?? )
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Aug 12, 2014 13:31:23 GMT
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Thanks for the reply
So it's easier to just get a Sierra diesel?
That's the bit I'm struggling with cos I don't know which engine will more or less drop straight in.
I know people have been on about a xud9te, but the reason I was gonna go with the mondeo engine is because I can get: full car for about £300. But if a Sierra (or P100) is easier I probably should get one of those?
Paul
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Aug 12, 2014 18:54:45 GMT
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LPG conversion could make sense.
Other options I would look into for a Capri are the BMW 25tds (Maybe too long), a Transit 2.5DI Turbo or an VM Turbo from a Range-Rover/ Cherokee/ Frontera.
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Aug 12, 2014 21:05:59 GMT
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as above , theres a sierra page on fb , I'm sure a guy on thereis breaking a sierra td like mine , will the correct diesel pump , sump and flywheel etc,.
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facebook: rodney dean / rd transport
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Aug 22, 2014 14:58:27 GMT
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Hey, thanks for all the replies.
I know the Sierra td would be my best bet with minimal work needed, however as I've found, they aren't really that easy to come by and I could do with a full car with the wiring loom and everything. The ones I have found have already sold or one that is being broke, hasn't got back to me with any info.
I'm going to keep looking but I was wondering how hard it would be (if it's even possible) to put a 2litre (or even 2.5) from a BMW in? From a 320d or a 525?
I'm just trying to find a good, economical diesel engine, that won't break the bank putting it in.
Thanks for all the help so far Paul
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MrSpeedy
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Aug 22, 2014 17:42:18 GMT
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Another possibilty maight be the 'smiley' Transit 2.5DI with MT75 gearbox?
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Aug 22, 2014 18:29:48 GMT
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Aug 22, 2014 19:16:47 GMT
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Another possibilty maight be the 'smiley' Transit 2.5DI with MT75 gearbox? Fair bit heavier than the pinto though, Di transits run different front springs to the petrols.
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Aug 22, 2014 19:18:22 GMT
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I love a good diesel conversion - but unless you're doing it for the challenge, go for LPG.
The initial outlay is approx the same, but getting the paperwork side sorted is much easier (just tell your insurance it's got LPG) and the savings are instant. I learnt the hard way, and spent several hundred on parts, which still needed more spending to have it running "properly"
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You're like a crazy backyard genius!
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Aug 22, 2014 19:21:38 GMT
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What about a zetec conversion ? Allready well documented, and driven sensibly it will return decent enough mpg to make the difference in cost of diesel to petrol barely noticable...
you may get 60mpg from a diesel, but thats driven like a nun, and it costs more.
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Aug 22, 2014 20:18:37 GMT
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I love a good diesel conversion - but unless you're doing it for the challenge, go for LPG. The initial outlay is approx the same, but getting the paperwork side sorted is much easier (just tell your insurance it's got LPG) and the savings are instant. I learnt the hard way, and spent several hundred on parts, which still needed more spending to have it running "properly" Some insurers wont insure a home converted LPG instal, it needs to be certified, never had a problem with a diesel conversion with insurance (yet lol). The ford diesel into a retro ford is easy, fairly well documnted and extras needed amounts to a few water pipes and an exhaust pipe size adapter, when you start talking BMW into a retro ford that's when the problems and costs start to mount and LPG becomes a viable alternative. Put it this way i have on the fleet an 89 TD P100, a 91 sierra DOHC, a 97 escort 1.6 zetec and an 03 fiesta 1.25, all 3 people who drive them (me the wife and the MIL) get the most MPG from the P100 and my last TD cortina was better on fuel than the P100 (mainly cos it weighs 400Kgs less). The Zetec costs way more than the TD to instal= water rail, sump, engine mounts, getting the correct loom ect ect. As for the Di, it's heavyer than a 3.0 V6 essex, the gearbox they use has a bellhousing so large it wont fit in a car tunnel. they are no more powerfull than the TD and have a narrower power band more suited to a heavy vehical, there's a reason ford never used them in a car I admit there are way better engines than the kent 1.8TD but IF you can get one they are the cheapest route to TD power for an old ford.
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Aug 22, 2014 20:39:20 GMT
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I definitely want a diesel, not lpg. Yea lpg costs less but from what I've read they do less mpg than a petrol and even if that isn't true, if rather not have a tank in the boot.
The P100/sierra 1.8 td engine seem like the best way to go but it's finding one I can use and then hoping they don't want silly money for it. If I have to I will, but £800 seems alot for a diesel sierra.
Just trying to think of the best engine/gearbox to use, that's a fairly easy conversion and fairly easy to get hold of.
I'm not clued up on what gearbox and engine combos to use and what would be my best option.
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MrSpeedy
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Aug 22, 2014 22:45:50 GMT
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I must admit, after turning up the fuel on the pump, I've found new love for the 1.8 xldt in our 400e.
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bortaf
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Aug 23, 2014 13:02:26 GMT
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I definitely want a diesel, not lpg. Yea lpg costs less but from what I've read they do less mpg than a petrol and even if that isn't true, if rather not have a tank in the boot. The P100/sierra 1.8 td engine seem like the best way to go but it's finding one I can use and then hoping they don't want silly money for it. If I have to I will, but £800 seems alot for a diesel sierra. Just trying to think of the best engine/gearbox to use, that's a fairly easy conversion and fairly easy to get hold of. I'm not clued up on what gearbox and engine combos to use and what would be my best option. clarkestons on ebay is a P100 breaker (Nr southend airport), he usually askes £250 for an engine but do a deal outside ebay, pay cash and buy the engine and box together and he'll do a deal He has many engines there even knackerd ones so if you find a cheap FWD TD you can do as i do and buy a broken RWD TD and swap the bits over Tweak the pump, add an intercooler then raise the boost and they can produce decent power if not huge amounts, all stuff you can do after the engine is in to spread the cost over a period you can manage, i allways like to fit then fettle, i find it easyer to fiddle with a motor thats running and on the road rather than a garage queen that never gets finished.
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Last Edit: Aug 23, 2014 13:03:06 GMT by bortaf
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Aug 23, 2014 13:11:30 GMT
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You'll probably go from 25mpg to 35mpg at the most... and spend £500 to a grand doing the conversion!
Black Smoke Racing style diesel conversions are cool, but a big project for the sake of a slight increase in economy? I would just drive the original engine a bit more carefully!
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Aug 23, 2014 16:06:44 GMT
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You'll probably go from 25mpg to 35mpg at the most... and spend £500 to a grand doing the conversion! Black Smoke Racing style diesel conversions are cool, but a big project for the sake of a slight increase in economy? I would just drive the original engine a bit more carefully! I drove like a grandma on a full tank and was down to a quarter in less than a week. I've got a polo 1.4tdi and that lasts slightly more than 2 weeks from full to a quarter. Granted it's a smaller car and engine, but I still think I'd be looking at around 40/45mpg from a 1.8 diesel. I know that's not a massive gain but it's still better than 20/25mpg, especially with the miles I do. And yes there is the idea of using the polo for work and capri for fun, but I can't afford to insure both. Doing a conversion seems like the best option to keep the Capri and get reasonable economy.
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Aug 23, 2014 16:30:06 GMT
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all the ford 1.8 tdi's and older tds ive had have only ever done near 40mpg on a run, around town its 30 to 35 if lucky.
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Aug 23, 2014 19:49:52 GMT
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I really don't see a Ford 1.8TDi averaging a real world 40mpg unless it was going in a Fiesta!
I'd be getting the Capri as efficient as possible if it's a one car deal for you. Proper service, and why not even an EFi conversion from a Sierra/Granada's Pinto? I bet that would be a lot cheaper to do, better, and not hugely far off an 1800 TDi's economy.
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Last Edit: Aug 23, 2014 19:50:16 GMT by AB car pix
1979 Chrysler Horizon 1.3 GL 1980 Ford Granada 2.8 Ghia 1985 Ford Sierra 3dr 1985 Ford Escort Mk3 1988 Ford Sierra Sapphire Cosworth 1989 Ford Escort 1.3 Popular 1995 Volvo 960 1996 BMW 525i 1998 BMW 323i 1999 BMW 530d 2003 BMW 530i . www.facebook.com/ABCARPIX
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Aug 23, 2014 19:56:22 GMT
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Try your hardest to do this! I've just bought a sierra td from here and it's awesome. Pretty slow when I got it, nut I've upped the fuelling and boost...now she honestly flies. It really hammers and to £10 I get 72 miles. If I turned it down again and drove sensibly then god knows what I would get.
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