V8 Engines and manual boxes

[bababoom]

There are lots of hi output v8 engines about now, Most of witch only come with a auto box.
Any ideas on a v8 engine that comes with a manual box these days.

[qwerty]

Bmw v8 out of an e34 or e39 5 series are available with a 6 speed manual.

The LS series of V8's come with V8 options

Ford Small blocks have manual options as do the later modular V8's.

[Battles]

What are you looking for?
A manual V8 you can find in a scrappies yard or on ebay for cheaps or a money-no-object crate engine?

A manual V8 Discovery can be had pretty cheap. They're all pretty rotten at the bottom end of the market but if you only need the engine...

[jaykay]

Lexus 1uzfe plus supra box?

[fred]

What are you thinking of fitting it in?

[VIP]

Aug 20, 2014 20:46:26 GMT jaykay said:

Lexus 1uzfe plus supra box?

You'd be looking at the best part of 4k for that combo, not the cheapest if options.

[volospian]

You can buy an adaptor kit from AK Sportscars to bolt a jag getrag 265 up to a sbc, and because the sbc has pretty much the same bolt pattern as the LS series, you can mate the getrag to those too. Mind you, getting a decent ls in this country isn't the cheapest option. By the time I finished mating my 265 to my 5.3 ls I had probably spent well over 3k.

Someone must have tried to use a jag v8 by now. I have heard tell that the manual box from the jag s type v6 diesel shares the bolt pattern with the 4.0 (or if you're feeling flush, the blown 4.2) AJV8 from jag, but not sure that's true... still, where there's a will....

[uncleterry]

Aug 20, 2014 20:46:26 GMT jaykay said:

Lexus 1uzfe plus supra box?

Or pull it all from a Manual Soarer? Not many of them left that are morally breakable now though.

Did see a company a while back who would import a Ford Coyote (the prev model Mustang GT onwards V8) to the UK and supply a fitting kit to mate to an Audi trans box for Mid engine installation...

[jaykay]

Aug 21, 2014 7:05:40 GMT VIP said:

Aug 20, 2014 20:46:26 GMT jaykay said:

Lexus 1uzfe plus supra box?

You'd be looking at the best part of 4k for that combo, not the cheapest if options.

My soarer was £900, and ive seen em a lot cheaper. See a supra box go for just over £200 the other day. Is it 3k for the adapter kit?

[VIP]

Aug 21, 2014 12:03:24 GMT jaykay said:

Aug 21, 2014 7:05:40 GMT VIP said:

You'd be looking at the best part of 4k for that combo, not the cheapest if options.

My soarer was £900, and ive seen em a lot cheaper. See a supra box go for just over £200 the other day. Is it 3k for the adapter kit?

Was it the R154 turbo box? Surprised it was that cheap, they are commonly used in drift circles for manualising the V8 and 1JZ. Mostly I've seen them go for between 750 and 1250 quid, and the kits are between £1500 to £2k plus shipping depending on where you get them from.

[SamR380]

I sold my R154'd Supra (with a knocking engine) for £600 the other day. When I looked into Lexus v8s the adapter plate was a couple of hundred from the states. I just didn't have the time or space.

[chris y]

Aug 21, 2014 7:57:53 GMT volospian said:

Someone must have tried to use a jag v8 by now. I have heard tell that the manual box from the jag s type v6 diesel shares the bolt pattern with the 4.0 (or if you're feeling flush, the blown 4.2) AJV8 from jag, but not sure that's true... still, where there's a will....

I've been considering using a Jag blown straight six (not V8 I know) in something and considered using the manual box from a Jag S Type 3.0 petrol that I have, but I read that the boxes fitted to the V6's were Ford derived and probably not compatible with the proper Jag engines.

I would love to know for definite if any V6 S type boxes will fit the proper engines as V6 S types can be had for not much cash at all but performance Jags are quite hard to find with manual boxes.

Anyone know anything for sure?

[volospian]

The v6 petrol was Ford, from the duratec, same as used in the mondeo. However, the v6 diesel is different (still ford built though) and is shared with a few others, such as, iirc, Peugeot and Citroën and is, I believe, a different bolt pattern. I also think this shares the same base as the v8 diesel in the landy, etc.... whether they're really the same pattern as the ajv8 or not though...

[chris y]

Aug 22, 2014 10:56:28 GMT volospian said:

The v6 petrol was Ford, from the duratec, same as used in the mondeo. However, the v6 diesel is different (still ford built though) and is shared with a few others, such as, iirc, Peugeot and Citroën and is, I believe, a different bolt pattern. I also think this shares the same base as the v8 diesel in the landy, etc.... whether they're really the same pattern as the ajv8 or not though...

Thanks very much for that, interesting. I'll sell the Jag and investigate the alternative gearboxes.

[skrapz]

W58 Supra box will handle the V8 they are cheaper. W154 is the turbo box and goes for more. The converter kit is available from the states its around 900 dollars.

www.1uzfeswapkit.com/Wxx-Series-transmission-adaptor-package-0000-0019.htm

Wish i had kept my LS400 as a a luxury drift missile would have been fun.

[SamR380]

I'm pretty sure you can get V8 S-types with a manual box (not the supercharged ones though). Did the Jag V8 use a different bellhousing to the earlier 6?

[Smiler]

Aug 21, 2014 7:57:53 GMT volospian said:

Someone must have tried to use a jag v8 by now. I have heard tell that the manual box from the jag s type v6 diesel shares the bolt pattern with the 4.0 (or if you're feeling flush, the blown 4.2) AJV8 from jag, but not sure that's true... still, where there's a will....

Kevin Leaper of PPC magazine (and Retro Ford magazine) fame has a supercharged Jag V8 coupled to a manual gearbox sat in a Reliant Scimitar SE5A. I cannot remember which gearbox he used though, if I find the right edition of the mag I'll let you know.

[Paul Y]

Depends on your budget.

on US eBay at the moment is a LS2 and T56 from a Corvette with all the ECU, throttle pedal and fuse box for a buy it now price of $5500. That is 400+ HP and Torque before a simple cam change adds another 50hp and a $1000 turbo kit gets you to a reliable 600-700. Mind you with the T56 they start to struggle above 500ish so keep it with a cam and you will have hours of fun.

Or an LM7 (5.3) truck motor gives 300+ again a cam and headers adds 50hp to that and they are around $1000-$1200 for a low mileage take out. Add $1700-2200 for the T56 and another $500 ish for loom and ecu decode and fuel pumps and you are ready to go.

These also like a little Turbo tickle. with upgraded pump, injectors and the required turbo Hot Rod magazine got one to over a 1000hp (dyno) on the stock internals and it didnt blow!

Again, people like Sloppy Mechanic have reliable set ups that are in the 500-700hp range for very little cash.

If you have not driven a genuine 500HP car you are going to be in for a surprise. As you probably know it doesn't stop with the engine and box. Axle, prop, cooling and brakes could add a lot too the final bill, ask me how I know!

Set your budget and work around that and let us know what you decide.

Good Luck,

P.

[waveman1500]

I totally agree that an LS engine and T56 is the way to go. They're really not expensive, even the brand new crate motors are affordable. If you're going to all the effort of a V8 conversion, then you may as well!

In Australia we're lucky enough to have V8 manual cars still available brand new for the price of a Golf GTI. The only reason I don't have one is the fuel consumption for my long commute in stop-start traffic.

[gn3dr]

Aug 21, 2014 23:17:03 GMT chris y said:

Aug 21, 2014 7:57:53 GMT volospian said:

Someone must have tried to use a jag v8 by now. I have heard tell that the manual box from the jag s type v6 diesel shares the bolt pattern with the 4.0 (or if you're feeling flush, the blown 4.2) AJV8 from jag, but not sure that's true... still, where there's a will....

I've been considering using a Jag blown straight six (not V8 I know) in something and considered using the manual box from a Jag S Type 3.0 petrol that I have, but I read that the boxes fitted to the V6's were Ford derived and probably not compatible with the proper Jag engines.

I would love to know for definite if any V6 S type boxes will fit the proper engines as V6 S types can be had for not much cash at all but performance Jags are quite hard to find with manual boxes.

Anyone know anything for sure?

No need to go to all that trouble. The straight 6 Supercharged Jag came with a manual option from the factory. The box is same as any 4.0 six Jag. The 3.2 six manual box will fit too, but has a lower torque rating I think.