v8ian
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Aug 26, 2014 18:56:22 GMT
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I might be forced to make a change of power unit for my car, I don't need loads of power to make it fast, I have always fancied a 4age powered something, , but I know very little about them, I know the first were for RWD fitment, then latterly fitted to the MR2 with an uprated block, what I want is 1600, and 16 valve, on bike carbs, not sure about the dissy, can possibly go Ford Edis, and coil pack, or even a Nodiz, a fried fitted a golf dissy with a belt drive, which he swears by........ What about Gearboxes, I want a 5 speed, I have a IS200 6 speed somewhere, don't suppose that will bolt up? ? Come chaps, any info would help, have you anything tucked away that might help the cause???
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style. Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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Aug 26, 2014 19:06:12 GMT
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Toyota's version of the Ford BDA, was going to fit one to an Escort a little while back before I sold the car on. The 1.6's come in two flavours, small port and big port with the big port being the one you want. RWD Motorsport do bell-housings for them so you can bolt it up to a Ford Type 9 box however if you can find a Toyota T50 gearbox that will bolt straight up too as they were used on the Corolla AE86. You can still stumble upon the RWD conversion parts for them from the AE86 too, don't pop up very often but I've seen them on ebay a few times.
If you can get hold of M1rf (or M11rf) on here he occasionally has the RWD parts for sale.
ETA: just looked and it seems M11rf is no longer on here, he can be found over on Turbosport though.
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Last Edit: Aug 26, 2014 19:16:55 GMT by Marshall
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Dez
Club Retro Rides Member
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Tell me about 4AGEs Dez
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Aug 26, 2014 19:38:41 GMT
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great engines, good power even as stock for a 1600, pretty tough given their state of tune, light as well. can still be had cheaply in rotten MR2s, but have become massively pricey in RWD format due to JDM-y0 driftuu scenetax over recent years. last time i looked it was cheaper to buy a new adapter bellhousing and a type 9 (which arent exactly cheap these days) than to buy a good t50 toyota 5spd- theyve mostly had a hard life due to wonna-be clutch kickers.
other parts are rwd specific such as the ally waterways which bolt on, mounts, and the inlet, but if youre doing it in a custom setup rather than an ae86 it'll be cheaper to cut up the mr2 stuff and get it tigged up to suit rwd than to buy the rwd stuff.
SO,SO much bolt on tuning available for them too. i still think one of the best streetable drift cars ive ever driven was a mates stripped out, stock 4age powered ae86 coupe. it had little more than a cusco diff, coilovers and a straight through exhaust, yet you'd have to spent the best part of 10k on an escort to give the same driving experience, and at the time the coupe would have cost you half that.
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MrSpeedy
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Aug 26, 2014 21:29:03 GMT
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Drove a mates FWD (Idon't know the model code) Corolla GTi which were 4AGE.
Was mightily impressed with it tbh.
That's about as much as I know
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Aug 26, 2014 21:43:32 GMT
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Awesome revvy engines. Mate has a mk1 mr2. Can be endlessly thrashed and loves it
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Aug 26, 2014 23:46:09 GMT
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I run a bigport 16v in my ae86. Good little motor, rev strongly. Main issues I have with mine is the valve stem seals, they tend to go. They also prefer some decent synthetic oil, so keep that in mind.
As has been stated previously the RWD conversion parts are pretty scarce - if you buy one from an mr2/ae82/ae92 then you will need to buy all the water pipework, waterpump, etc. to suit RWD. SQ Engineering here in Australia was working on an adaptor to run the Altezza 6 speed behind a 4age I believe.
If you were willing to go to EFI I would suggest jumping straight to a blacktop 4age 20v. They are MAP so you can run the factory quad throttles open to the air and a set of trumpets from SQ Engineering have been shown to give good gains. A stock blacktop with trumpets and decent exhaust would give a carbed 16v a right fright I reckon, and you can buy RWD conversion kits for cooling, etc., off the shelf - not cheap but available brand new
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Brian Damaged
West Midlands
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Tell me about 4AGEs Brian Damaged
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We've been looking at options for the 'new' rallycar (Talbot Sunbeam, the shell's already finished) for 2015, one of which is a move down a class from 2-litre to 1600 with a modified 4-AGE 20v. Apparently there's a guy in Ireland who does the conversion parts. Not a cheap move, but cheaper than trying to extract any more power out of the XE we run now....besides which the new shell's about 200kg lighter.
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hak074
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I've loved a 4AGE since a mate took me for a blat in his old RWD Corolla panel van (KE70 shape I think it was). Blew me away that a little 1.6 could go that hard, it was an absolute rocketship. Have always wanted a Corolla SX or GTi. I've got a 20V one sitting in the shed waiting to go into my mk1 Escort. Need to get all the bits out and see what else we need. I went looking for a T50 box the other day, only found one and it was over $1000 (AUD). I have what is meant to be a Celica 5-speed, but I'm not sure that bolts up to a 4AGE. Gotta make sense of all these bits. I have found this guy down here in Oz that does RWD bits for 4AGE. SQ Engineering I just hope he's still making bits when I finally get around to putting mine in.
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Aug 27, 2014 10:25:42 GMT
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I have a big port 4AGE in my AW11, it's the best engine ever made in my opinion, it pulls until it reaches about 110 mph, never had it above that though. Car body has gone too far considering I don't have time to weld it up, but engine will be going into something else. Does anyone have accurate dimensions for the 4AGE?
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hak074 - the gearbox you want is a t50. Came in the ae86, ae71, ta22 Celica and te72 Liftback in Australia. You'll need an 4a - t50 bellhousing, preferably from a 4age car as the 4ac bellhousing (which will work) has the clutch slave in the exhaust side, which gets quite tight.
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