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Aug 29, 2014 10:55:51 GMT
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Hi guys, hope you can clear something up. I have a 1968 austin on a mazda mx5 chassis that is a cat c right off, I'm trying to get it on the road.
So i apply for the V5 and they say its in my name but i can't have it till its been VIC'd
i call for a VIC and they say it needs to be mot'd an roadworthy
I take it to be MOT'd and they say they can't touch it till they see the V5, as they don't know what to class it as, due to the fact that its a modern car mechanicals but 1960s shell and chassis/reg numbers. They say it probably needs to be classed as a kit car so I'm worried ill lose the Austin registration plates.
Help guys, where do i start? Is my mot man right?
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Aug 29, 2014 11:03:02 GMT
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sound like you have a mx5 chassis with austin chassis numbers, if this is right, surely it will still be classed as an mx5?
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mylittletony
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Aug 29, 2014 11:19:33 GMT
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you have an MX5 chassis on Austin reg numbers, so unless you've caried out some magic it's incorrectly registered and you're going to struggle
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Ryannn
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Aug 29, 2014 11:21:11 GMT
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Sounds like a perfect way to get a tax exempt mx5 [/synical]
Afraid you've got some issues up coming.
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Aug 29, 2014 11:22:00 GMT
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each compoent is given a points value with a kit car / re body to allow you to keep the orginal reg you need to of retained a vast majority of the orginal car.
this does sound like you will be going do the kit car registration route.
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Aug 29, 2014 11:22:35 GMT
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Sad to say that if it falls outside the eight point rules (and it sounds like it does) then you're looking at BIVA to get it registered.
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Aug 29, 2014 11:23:40 GMT
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MX5 doesn't have a chassis - just a reinforcing backbone. The shell is the "chassis" so if you haven't simply slipped the Austin body over an UNALTERED MX5 body then you are into BIVA territory. You WILL loose the Austin number unless you abide by the DVLA points system - original unaltered Austin chassis or monocoque plus other original components. The body has no points itself if the Austin has a separate chassis.
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bortaf
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Aug 29, 2014 12:42:30 GMT
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Appart from the whole world of hurt your into with that combo i know for a fact a vehical does NOT need an MOT for a VIC check, i trailerd one to a VIC 2 weeks ago, it only needs an MOT (AND I'M QUOTING THE DOT GOV SITE HERE) (if you’re driving it to the VIC) you don't need tax though get the VOSA site officer that said you need a MOT to read the govs own web site, they like them to be drivable (roadworthy) so they can drive them into the booth to check the chassis number ect.
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Rich G
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Aug 29, 2014 19:19:34 GMT
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Barnzey, Get yourself over here.... www.rodsnsods.co.uk/forum/licensing-legal-section/... and PM Kapri on there, you'll get accurate advice as to where you stand and, more importantly what you can do. Compo was spot-on with his first sentence. I'm pretty sure that no 1968 Austin car had a separate chassis so the unaltered monocoque comment stands. Plenty of background reading here... www.the-ace.org.uk/Regards Rich G
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Aug 31, 2014 19:30:13 GMT
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I think we need more info on the car here, is it actually 2 monocoques merged into one or has it just got mx5 subframes and driveline modded to fit?
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Aug 31, 2014 23:01:25 GMT
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Sounds like you have an MX5 with a 1968 identity so the previous owner could avoid paying VEL?
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Sept 1, 2014 10:51:20 GMT
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Thanks for the replies guys, even if it did show what a cock I've made here. So heres the pics from the previous owner, I've only had time to repair the panels that wrote it off. i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g470/barnzey120y/austin055_zps0e36bb39.jpgRich G- ill drop him a pm, although it looks pretty clear its guna become a kit car, thanks for that. Which means i won't be able to afford the insurance at the present as I'm 24 an skint! I bought this as a tax exempt, classic insurance, money saver, along with being heaps of fun, but its clearly not guns be the case, so i guess you'll be seeing it on ebay soon if anyone here fancies tackling the legal system.
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craig1010cc
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Sept 1, 2014 11:50:04 GMT
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That does look ace, and rings a bell. Was it featured in PPC a year or 2 back? If it is already registered with the mazda engine in it, surely all teh VIC check will be looking for is that the chassis and engine numbers match up with the V5 (the advice I've had in the past from my local garage that repairs CAT C&D vehicles as a sideline is that you could take the damaged car straight to the VIC test as all they are interested in is that the numbers match the log book).
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Sept 1, 2014 11:52:10 GMT
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Has it ever had an mot since being built?
I would be inclined to take it elsewhere for an mot, my zx was cat c within its 12 month mot and went through a vic check without another test, as its title suggests its just an I.d check.
A load of curse word really and will be ending next year, though if cars have a marker I believe they'll still need a check :/
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Sept 1, 2014 11:52:36 GMT
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That will require a BIVA, get Q reg and VED payable. Otherwise nice I had an A40 as a spares donor for my A35 and quite like it.
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Sept 1, 2014 13:47:26 GMT
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Thats going to be a nightmare to get on the road legally in this country, I would take a look at the ACE website and work out exactly what you are going to need to comply with before even thinking about paying having it inspected. What is it currently registered as? There's no way in the world its going to keep its tax exempt identity....
Sorry to break it to you but with such a limited budget the best thing to do would be keep it as a track day toy and buy something else
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MrSpeedy
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Sept 1, 2014 14:09:12 GMT
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Cars like that have been covered on here frequently, and a few members dissapeared as a result of being told that what they were building was not what they were claiming it to be!
That said, it looks like a splendid idea and to have been reasonably well built (from the limited photos posted), but as has been said, it is actually a hybrid of two monocoque cars, using the 'body shell' of one (the Austin) and the subframes/running gear of another (MX5)
As such, it will need a Biva test, 'Q' registration etc. Not impossible, but you will need to at least change ALL the lighting, probably switchgear, many interior fittings, ALL the glass (including mirrors) and a fair bit more I'm guessing, to stuff with a 'CE' mark, to even get close to passing inspection.
A VIC test will quickly show it to be currently incorrectly registered.
It's a shame, and I feel for you, but it seems you've been 'duped' slightly by the previous owner.
Was the damage done before or whilst in your ownership?
On a positive note, the insurance costs are the least of your concerns. If/when you get it all registered, kit car insurance is similar to classic cover, and you'll be looking at less than £200 a year*
*Subject to not living in the Gaza strip or being Jeremy Clarkson/Richard Hammond
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Last Edit: Sept 2, 2014 9:02:24 GMT by MrSpeedy
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Sept 1, 2014 14:12:03 GMT
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The VIC will throw up the fact that it is a melange of Austin/MX5 and then i strongly suspect you'd be pointed towards IVA test & Q-plate application.
One possible way - borrow a very helpful friend's original '68 Austin, attach your chassis plates, use that car for the MOT and VIC. Then put it all back and buy him lots of beers.
Good luck with it and try not to listen to people who say "this vehicle is illegal"
As a side note, Bob Petersen's epic creations (top gear 24litre Bentley) use rather modified 1930s chassis on original reg. Are they illegal?
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Last Edit: Sept 1, 2014 14:30:12 GMT by bmwv8capri
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mylittletony
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Sept 1, 2014 14:45:38 GMT
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it's a real shame as it looks like a cracking idea . There are ways to make it legal, or you can do it on the sly, but the forum encourages the legal approach to keep the powers-that-be onside with car modifications.
You could look for a registered separate chassis car (kit car, scimitar, vitara etc) and continue the body swap that way instead?
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Last Edit: Sept 1, 2014 14:46:37 GMT by mylittletony: clarity
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Sept 1, 2014 14:50:53 GMT
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try not to listen to people who say "this vehicle is illegal" Not listening to the facts is not going to change them. In these times our hobby could well be outlawed if we don't at least look to try and play by the rules.
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