MK2VR6
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The clutch on my pd130 Audi A4 is very thin and I'm going to have to bite the bullet prontoish to replace it. I'm assuming the dmf is also the original, so that'll have to be replaced at the same time. Looking at prices, it's significantly cheaper to replace the setup with a single mass flywheel. I've heard various stories about the pros and cons, but am still unsure on the final verdict. I am aware that the dmf was fitted to cut down on vibration and noise, but get the impression that some smfs are very different in their nature. Any thoughts or opinions from those who have gone down, or at least considered this route? Have some flying wheels (see what I did there?!)
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Last Edit: Dec 7, 2014 11:23:21 GMT by MK2VR6: Stupid autocorrect on iPad.
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bortaf
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Done a few, no bad feedback as of yet, last one i did was a Skoda, had it back last week for it's new MOT and a year on no complaints but that particular customer is an air head who didn't notice 3 totaly bald tyres on the car (and he uses it to drive his 2 children about in!) so TBH i doubt he's notice any differance IF there was any anyhoo LOL
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MK2VR6
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So that's good, I guess?!
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ChasR
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I hear mixed reports ; some firms out there sell clutch kits and flywheels which are meant to be quieter than the rest and with good results.
The only time I can relate to this is with a VW Passat B5.5 with a 1.9TDi engine. That became quite noisy on the outside with the flywheel conversion to the extent people felt something was broken! There are a number of YouTube videos depicting the same thing!
I guess it is one of those : it is possibly down to an iffy combination of parts but getting the correct combination is not easy.
If it were me, despite the DMF's reputation if the play was found to be acceptable I'd probably just change the clutch. I agree DMFs give more issues on dervs, but my V6 Mondeo on 260k is still on its original DMF with no issues. I have seen people with pattern DMFs create issues they never previously had.
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Mad Max
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I've changed loads on all sorts of things, mostly VAG but a couple of transits too. No complaints and to be honest the customers have never mentioned noticing the difference. Most of the vw ones that felt fine had collapsed and locked themselves at one extreme or the other preventing access to the bolts, all good fun.
Personally if I could afford a car new enough to have one I'd replace it at earliest convenience as I see no benefit but plenty of mither from them. That might be just me, I'm an old fashioned pessimist...
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bortaf
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I've changed loads on all sorts of things, mostly VAG but a couple of transits too. No complaints and to be honest the customers have never mentioned noticing the difference. Most of the vw ones that felt fine had collapsed and locked themselves at one extreme or the other preventing access to the bolts, all good fun. Personally if I could afford a car new enough to have one I'd replace it at earliest convenience as I see no benefit but plenty of mither from them. That might be just me, I'm an old fashioned pessimist... Done a few FWD transits, in the early days (when DMF relacement kits first arrived on the scene) the replacement cluthc slave cyl went a few days after due to being the wrong length but that was kit problem (sold and developed by a transit specialist), solved by a differant slave on later kits. The spining FW i've had on a few cars, one of the transits, the PDi skoda and a few astra TDs, had to chisel then off to get at the bolts
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Mad Max
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When one rolls onto the forecourt with that tell-tale noise and judder I know I'm in for a battle! Worst thing about transits for me is that our workshop roof isn't very tall so the LWB high top I did meant I could only send the ramp up a little way. Tried telling the boss this wasn't great for my knees but he couldn't hear me over the money he was counting...
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Judder?? Tell me about this.
My Ibiza 2.0 TDi FR has an occasional judder when pulling away and cold (almost like you're driving over a brick in the road) I hadn't thought of it but it could be a stuck DMF unsticking itself.
Love the Carmageddon avatar BTW
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My mk3 mondeo is shuddering alot when it's hot when you're pulling away. Fine when it's cold. I assume this is the DMF?
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Much the same hear I've changed loads , hi-lux's , transit's loads of vw's and VAGS to name a few never had any issues or bad feed back not even had anyone say they noticed any difference and loads of them still come in years later no issues .
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1978 mk2 escort mexico
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Dec 10, 2014 23:12:00 GMT
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Anyone done it on a ovlov D5?
I've heard you can use a flywheel off a petrol t5 but have never seen one done.....
Judging by the noise mines making, it's not long for this world!
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Dec 10, 2014 23:31:48 GMT
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Done loads, some work some don't, generally I find the DMF's nicer to use especially with gearbox’s that were always designed with them in mind..
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The Internet, like all tools, if used improperly, can make a complete bo**cks of even the simplest jobs...
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Mad Max
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Dec 11, 2014 21:00:57 GMT
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Judder?? Tell me about this. My Ibiza 2.0 TDi FR has an occasional judder when pulling away and cold (almost like you're driving over a brick in the road) I hadn't thought of it but it could be a stuck DMF unsticking itself. Love the Carmageddon avatar BTW Possibly and thanks! I wasted most of my childhood playing it!
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Difficulty starting is a sign that swarf is in the starter motor which comes from the DMF. I swapped the starter on my dad's as it had completely seized up and would not longer start. You hear stories of solid fly wheels cracking the crankshaft because it no longer 'dampens' the vibrations, but I reckon it's nonsense. A DMF can last 100,000 miles about though. My dad's is on 205,000, an ex-taxi Mondeo.
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les509
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Dec 16, 2014 21:15:20 GMT
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As with any car it's all about how it's been driven. Lost count of the number of Peugeot Expert taxi dmf/clutch kits I've changed, engines with oil leaks tend to make short work of destroying them as well...
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61 Jaguar Mk 10 67 Austin A60 Countryman 69 Morris 1300GT 77 Triumph 2500S 84 Mk2 Granada Ghia Est 86 BMW 635 CSi 87 BMW 635 CSi
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Dec 28, 2014 21:50:58 GMT
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Fitted loads of transit solid flywheels slightly more vibration than standard but not a problem you soon get used to it and most transit drivers would never notice.
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Pretty certain Sachs do a complete module kit (clutch, dmf, concentric slave) pre-assembled in a box, this often works out a LOT cheaper than buying the individual parts. As far as i know this is for VAGs
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mikeymk
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I bought a complete Sachs kit (DMF and clutch) for £320 and it's great for the car (MK4 Golf PD).
DMF's make the 1.9TDI's more flexible, smoother, more tractable and put less strain on the gearbox. They're effectively a dampening link in the drivetrain.
SMF is simpler, has more feel at the bite, and is preferable on a revvy petrol. But there was no way i was gonna try one for the hammerdrill PD.
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