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70MPH is not a target speed
Drive to the conditions
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niwid
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If the insurance is affordable and you need a reliable daily come summer time LMK Tim. There is a good chance that I shall be selling my E36 and putting the RST onto daily duties, at least until winter comes next year. [/shameless plug] Thanks mate. I doubt we'll be able to afford it tbh, fuel and insurance wise, but thanks anyway Shameless Pug  |
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A few things I picked up from your position;
Obviously it was icy, not only in the area of the petrol station and slip road, but across the country. Unfortunately, insurance will take the immediate stance that you weren't driving to the conditions, but to the limit of the road.
Main routes are gritted. This does not mean all slip roads, access roads and junctions will be covered too. If the gritter needed fuel at that precise moment and they had no hope of returning to the yard to refuel, then it would have been up to the driver whether he turned the grit off/down or left it on while he used the slip.
I won't go on any further...
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Last Edit: Jan 4, 2015 20:52:20 GMT by stevieclj
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I'm not being harsh, but if other drivers managed to get to the forecourt, so the fault is yours I'm afraid
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niwid
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I'm not being harsh, but if other drivers managed to get to the forecourt, so the fault is yours I'm afraid Several didn't I saw one other car hit it without any major damage, just a curbed alloy. Lots of tyre tracks from people hitting and going straight over the curb too. I rekon if I'd have hit it head on I might have got away with it with a scraped bumper. I do realise that I was probably going faster than was ideal, but going slow enough to avoid what happened would have been just as much of a danger. I rekon it would still have been an accident had I been doing 40mph, and that would have been too slow for the conditions of the road I had just left, due to most cars doing at least 55, most between 60 and 70, some over. I really don't think there was much I could have done better. The slip road was literally too slippery to walk on for the entire 100m length. I'm just gonna have fork out and take it as experience and hopefully it won't happen again. I was pleased that I managed to stay calm and control it the way I did, but I reckon if I had winter tyres it might have made the turn, so maybe I'll invest in some next year. Thanks |
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ChasR
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At the end of the day you were safe (as were your occupants) and no one else was involved thankfully. You cannot really ask for more where an accident is involved and I am talking from hindsight here as you know. It is shame that the damage was done but at least it is fixable and all of you peeps were safe. I am sure we can all preach here until the cows come home but I reckon Tim is aware that it may have potentially have been avoided with a dent in his pride. On that note I say let us leave things be and home he gets back on the road and stays safe. After all, is that not what the car community is meant to be about?  . |
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I skidded on black ice into a bus in my Sunbeam GLS and wrote it off. It was down a lane I'd driven hundreds of times in all sorts of conditions. I wasn't going fast and simply came around a blind corner to see a bus coming the other way so braked and car quickly spun around into it's path. 100% my fault but nothing I could have done about it. Nobody hurt so I put it down to "luck of the draw". A few seconds or few feet either way and it might not have happened. Liked that car - nicer than an MKII Escort IMO.
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THE_Liam
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I think it's a bit harsh to say you weren't driving to the conditions. Does everyone here slow down to 20mph as soon as the temperature drops below freezing?
Don't get me wrong, you'll have to take this on the chin as it was your fault, but I reckon the same would have happened to me or anyone else. Until you slip on black ice you don't know it's there, and as said no-one does 20mph on a 70mph road in case it's icy. If you know it is, like if you can see it on the surface, then you slow down, or if you spin up pulling away gently at low speed you know it's around.
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VIP
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Aug 18, 2015 10:26:48 GMT
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The reason I say that, a few years ago, my son bent his clio, no other person involved and nobody hurt, he limped home and left it at that, 9 months later he received a summons for failure to report an accident, and got 6 points, report it to the police, just to be safe, Unless he damaged other property, if no-one else was invovled, that's bullhonky. You are not obliged to report an accident to the Police unless there are injuries, third-party property has been damaged (in order to record the incident for later reference when the third-party claims), or when the accident blocks or impedes onto the carriageway and requires traffic management. |
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Aug 18, 2015 10:36:27 GMT
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The reason I say that, a few years ago, my son bent his clio, no other person involved and nobody hurt, he limped home and left it at that, 9 months later he received a summons for failure to report an accident, and got 6 points, report it to the police, just to be safe, Unless he damaged other property, if no-one else was invovled, that's bullhonky. You are not obliged to report an accident to the Police unless there are injuries, third-party property has been damaged (in order to record the incident for later reference when the third-party claims), or when the accident blocks or impedes onto the carriageway and requires traffic management. You also have to report accidents to PSV's - as I found out when threatened with "failure to report" despite no injuries and insurance sorting things out. |
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VIP
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Aug 18, 2015 11:01:46 GMT
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Unless he damaged other property, if no-one else was invovled, that's bullhonky. You are not obliged to report an accident to the Police unless there are injuries, third-party property has been damaged (in order to record the incident for later reference when the third-party claims), or when the accident blocks or impedes onto the carriageway and requires traffic management. You also have to report accidents to PSV's - as I found out when threatened with "failure to report" despite no injuries and insurance sorting things out. Of course, driving anything other than a private vehicle carries its own sets of requirements. |
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Ryannn
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Aug 21, 2015 16:24:16 GMT
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Thread bumped by spammer [/fail]
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Aug 29, 2015 11:32:30 GMT
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IIRC, if they had gritted it and you crashed you can claim. If they haven't you cant. We used to not grit the car park at Halfords for the same reason, if you cleared it it becomes the companies responsibility if somebody crashes/falls over. That's a myth, you can not claim against someone who has gritted a road, footpath or car park. |
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