markbognor
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No it wouldn't, but that would be because the width and offset were wrong as well, there are three dimensions that dictate whether a wheel works or not. Make it big* enough, wide* enough and with the correct* offset and it would work on anything.
*these can mean different things to different people. Some people wouldn't think that 13" Diameter, 7" width and 0 offset were right for my micra. (however wrong they are they are entitled to think it)
It doesn't seem so prevalent now, but there used to be loads of pics from Japan of cars with mismatched wheels front to rear, where the wheels, bought in pairs, had been chosen for their dimensions rather than wheel centre design. I suppose it could be the interweb diluting the local styles.
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markbognor
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I took so long typing that the discussion has moved on without me. EmDee that is awesome. Now add some dish by using the clover leafs as split rim centres!
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EmDee
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Well what if you try to ignore the fact that this has two valve stems and TRY to picture these on it? If it's still no then I give up. Edit: oh MmmBog seems to have pre-empted my thoughts. Great minds and all that.
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Last Edit: Feb 1, 2015 21:25:33 GMT by EmDee
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markbognor
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I'm spent.
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EmDee
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Well then, took me a few minutes but... BMW 5 series on Cloverleafs. Still horrid?
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Last Edit: Feb 1, 2015 21:48:25 GMT by EmDee
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That looks mega!!!^^^^^
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Last Edit: Feb 1, 2015 21:56:59 GMT by pieeater
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EmDee
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the poster said the style wasn't important , just the size & width No, he didn't.
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markbognor
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BMW 5 series on Cloverleafs. Epic.
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slater
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No you don't seem to understand. Let me put it another way for you.
Unless you have wheels that are the right size your car will never look good. No matter what 'style' of wheel you choose it will always be wrong. Now theres more than one right way thats for sure but size/fitment/stance or whatever is whats makes the difference. Whether you fit Minilites or Revolution isn't really much more important than if you paint the car black or white in the grand scheme of things. If i was to put it on a scale of 'things that matter when building a car' the size of wheels would be pretty much at the top as you really cant get it wrong and still have something top notch but the actual design, well there's a million and one ways to skin a cat there, its mainly just bonus points for having something obscure or even in the case of a lot of the cars ive built simply don't bother changing the style because it really isn't necessary to 'make a car'.
As highlighted the problem with cloverleafs has always been that that are a skinny, massively inset wheel that simply isnt the right size for much at all. Give them a few inches more width and offset and suddenly kaboom they start to look good on stuff. The design of the wheel hasn't changed.
To come on Retro-Rides of all places and say Cloverleafs are only any good on one model of car is a surprising attitude to say the least.
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Not just me that said it, if you read the thread. Some things just only look right in the right place, they are one of them in my opinion ( & others it would appear)
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vulgalour
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I love cloverleafs, I wanted to put some on my old BX but I was defeated by rust well before that happened. Weird thing about cloverleafs is that they always look smaller than they are, I reckon you need to get them up to about a 17" rim before they start to look the right size, the BMW shop above is a case in point. They looks so much smaller than they are. A tricky wheel to make work on any car for the reasons Slater has highlighted. To get back to the matter in hand, here's two VW Jettas with different wheels (and a few other things) to one another.
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This certainly took off!
Some nice rims on display here!
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DRIFTING is pushin a car against its intended design, then playing with the LAWS OF PHYSICS
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Curtis
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For better or for worser, I think the wider, lower offset GTR's make quite a difference to my IS' look. Even at standard height, they look so much more purposeful
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What do people think of this? Doesnt look right to me. Is it what slater says? The tyres are too big and the car is too high.
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I couldn't look at my SL on stock 8 holes (even though i love 8 holes on W124s) but i wouldn't sell on the amg splits. I sold the SL easy on stock rims for almost the same price and then stupidly sold the splits for what was good money at the time. DOH! Before After What was the price on making the cloverleafs into splits as i want a set of pepperpots made for my xr2?
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whysub
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I put Pug 1.9 GT I Speedline wheels on my Sapphire along with slightly shorter Sierra RS500 shocks.
The wheels looked excellent, simply because they suited the shape of the car. Wish I could find a photo of it to show on here.
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MiataMark
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Well what if you try to ignore the fact that this has two valve stems and TRY to picture these on it? If it's still no then I give up. Edit: oh MmmBog seems to have pre-empted my thoughts. Great minds and all that. The problem with this is that by converting to split rim the proportions of the wheel (and look) are different to original so you're not really comparing like to like. Cloverleaf alloys (thinking more Alfa than XR3i) look good. But then I'm apparently a RR heretic as I had a new XR3i company car and ordered it with steels as I preferred the look.....
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EmDee
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<div class="quote" author=" MiataMark" source="/post/2039701/thread" timestamp="1422987986"><div class="quote_body"><div class="quote_avatar_container"><div class="avatar-wrapper avatar_size_quote avatar-17071"><img src="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6008/5963764752_a46e466bd5_o.jpg" alt="MiataMark Avatar"></div></div><div class="quote_header"><a href="/post/2039701/thread"><abbr data-timestamp="1422987986000" title="Feb 3, 2015 18:26:26 GMT" class="time">Feb 3, 2015 18:26:26 GMT</abbr></a> <span itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"><a href="/user/17071" class="user-link user-17071 group-0" itemprop="url" title=" MiataMark"><span itemprop="name">MiataMark</span></a></span> said:</div>The problem with this is that by converting to split rim the proportions of the wheel (and look) are different to original<div class="quote_clear"></div></div></div><br>Exactly! What problem?<br><br>hehe<br><br>Cloverleafs are all positiveoffsetty and yucky unless they are re-jiggered. I did post a pic with no dishy but apparently that was poop.<br><br>At the time my point really was that the design of the centres will work aesthetically with loads of cars. Like you say, the Alfa cloverleafs are a great wheel - I love them whereas personally speaking I'm not really a fan of the XR3 leafs at all cause they are a convex shape. <br><br>For example....<br><br>Check out these Lamborghini Silhouette rears (one of my all time favourite wheels).<br><br>http://preview.netcarshow.com/Lamborghini-Silhouette-1976-1600-05.jpg<br><br>And compare them to these Alfa wheels.<br><br> <br><br>They're basically the same design, but one is epic and one is just nice.<br><br>I find it fascinating how you can contrast an angular car design with rounded wheels or choose to compliment it with angular wheels - or the converse if you have a rounded car design. I will never tire (tyre?) of seeing the myriad of combinations (yes I know that makes me sound like a saddo).<br>
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EmDee
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^ What the actual f***? That bas***d blue bear again! So what I meant was: MiataMark said "The problem with this is that by converting to split rim the proportions of the wheel (and look) are different to original" Exactly! What problem? hehe Cloverleafs are all positiveoffsetty and yucky unless they are re-jiggered. I did post a pic with no dishy but apparently that was poop. At the time my point really was that the design of the centres will work aesthetically with loads of cars. Like you say, the Alfa cloverleafs/pepperpots are a great wheel - I love them whereas personally speaking I'm not really a fan of the XR3 leafs at all cause they are a convex shape. For example.... Check out these Lamborghini Silhouette rears (one of my all time favourite wheels). And compare them to these Alfa wheels. They're basically the same design, but one is epic and one is just nice. I find it fascinating how you can contrast an angular car design with rounded wheels or choose to compliment it with angular wheels - or the converse if you have a rounded car design. I will never tire (tyre?) of seeing the myriad of combinations (yes I know that makes me sound like a saddo).
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Last Edit: Feb 5, 2015 13:50:45 GMT by EmDee
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