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Sept 19, 2015 19:56:51 GMT
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Evening guy's and girl's, this isn't a build thread more of a "run a few ideas past you and get some advice" sort of thread.. For a while now I've been thinking about my next Wheel Horse project and what it should be.. The trouble with having created Project Why Not is it would be very hard to go backwards and build something more er... normal! So of course the next step up has to be quite mad Now I have had an engine in mind for a while, something strong and powerful which sounds good to boot. It wasn't until yesterday when I had a tape measure in my hand that I got the chance to do some measuring of the said engine... Well there happened to be a Volvo 760 turbo estate in the car park where my workshop is.. So I thought I'd ask the owner if I could have a measure I'm not up on Volvo engines, it wasn't the twin cam engine it was the earlier one.. Would that make it a B230? Anyway, I'm sure you will of guessed by now that I think the engine could be made to fit (by which I mean build a chassis to sit the engine in and fit some bodywork around it), but it's the gearbox I'm wondering about.. Which gearbox would be shortest be it manual or an auto? Yes you did read that right, shortest rather than strongest.. Well, I do have to think about fitting it in I understand that the autos are very strong and might well be just the thing for a tyre fryer which is what the new build could be really.. What do ya think? The easiest way with the rear axle would be to narrow a Volvo one.. As for a prop-shaft, I don't think there will be space for one Anyway, there's my new project thoughts... You may think I'm totally off my rocker for thinking of building such a mad machine.. Of course the opposite could be true... I will let you all decide
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My YouTube Channel www.youtube.com/user/UkWheelHorseBlokeQuote - D'you know, it's people like you, doing totally brilliant and pointless stuff like this that gives me a little hope for humanity
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Sept 19, 2015 21:12:56 GMT
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What you really need is a nice civilised V8 Perkins to build one around, Volvo back axle is supposed to be nice and strong though
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Sept 20, 2015 0:42:10 GMT
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Hi, as I see it you have three choices, I don't think auto is an option as the ZF is quite a long box. 1) Use a manual M45, as from this thread. - retrorides.proboards.com/thread/182608/volvo-940-gearbox-issue2) Not bother with a gearbox at all just have a clutch unit from a Volvo 340 driving a narrowed van axle with a low ratio diff. The vehicle will have a low weight so really a gearbox isn't needed. If you narrow the axle you could have twin rear wheels or a big single each side. 3) Have a transaxle from some thing like an early Audi or Renault or even a Volvo 340 and omit the prop shaft between the clutch unit and the transaxle. Colin
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Sept 21, 2015 1:37:38 GMT
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Does it have to be small and look like a wheelhorse? The V8 Perkins suggested above might be a good start. I saw a very well built V8 Caterpillar powered special at a farm show a couple of years ago. Could that be an option for you for building something totally insane? The one I saw had an Allison transmission and a 6000 series John Deere back end.
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Sept 29, 2015 19:28:29 GMT
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V8! It has to be a V8!!! Yank's like to use the V8 every where, even in a lawn mower. But you should use a Rover V8, so it's like a Brittish version what they do in states.
Here some inspiration
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Sept 29, 2015 20:07:18 GMT
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MiataMark
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Sept 30, 2015 7:31:35 GMT
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V8! It has to be a V8!!! Yank's like to use the V8 every where, even in a lawn mower. But you should use a Rover V8, so it's like a Brittish version what they do in states. To be truly British a Daimler V8 would look much better... but why stick at a V8, what about a Jaguar V12...
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1990 Mazda MX-52012 BMW 118i (170bhp) - white appliance 2011 Land Rover Freelander 2 TD4 2003 Land Rover Discovery II TD52007 Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon JTDm
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Straight 8 supercharged Bentley motor.
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Hmm... V12 or Straight 8 with supercharger... let's see... jep. First we need two Wheel Horse rigs and...
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What you really need is a nice civilized V8 Perkins to build one around, Volvo back axle is supposed to be nice and strong though A Perkins V8 would be nice, but I expect way too costly for me.. Like all my builds the next one will have to be done on a tight budget. Hi, as I see it you have three choices, I don't think auto is an option as the ZF is quite a long box. 1) Use a manual M45, as from this thread. - retrorides.proboards.com/thread/182608/volvo-940-gearbox-issue2) Not bother with a gearbox at all just have a clutch unit from a Volvo 340 driving a narrowed van axle with a low ratio diff. The vehicle will have a low weight so really a gearbox isn't needed. If you narrow the axle you could have twin rear wheels or a big single each side. 3) Have a transaxle from some thing like an early Audi or Renault or even a Volvo 340 and omit the prop shaft between the clutch unit and the transaxle. Colin Hi Colin, thanks for the comprehensive reply I think option 1 is the way to go if I go for Volvo power. The M45 box in the link does look quite short in length. The trouble with "car" engined ride on mowers is they always tend to look too long. It would be nice to avoid that as much as possible. Option 2 I will rule out as it would be nice to have a reverse gear.. Why Not is light enough to push backwards, something with a car engine would be a lot heavier! Option 3 needs some thinking about.. Does it have to be small and look like a wheelhorse? The V8 Perkins suggested above might be a good start. I saw a very well built V8 Caterpillar powered special at a farm show a couple of years ago. Could that be an option for you for building something totally insane? The one I saw had an Allison transmission and a 6000 series John Deere back end. Hi Igor, yes it does have to be small as my body just can't cope with big stuff including cars these days.. And yes it does have to look like a Wheel Horse as they are my "thing" and it's who I am.. I am UkWheelHorseBloke after all V8! It has to be a V8!!! Yank's like to use the V8 every where, even in a lawn mower. But you should use a Rover V8, so it's like a Brittish version what they do in states. Here some inspiration Hi, as it happens I did try and talk someone into trading my spare Honda CX and a bit of cash for a Rover V8, 5 speed trans and TR8 rear axle a little while back.. It was left as "he will think about it", which I expect means the deal won't happen.. I also know of someone in the UK who (I think) is about to start a V8 Wheel Horse build, so I need to think of a different engine to use.. I found this on MooTube, a Rover V8 powered mower in NZ..
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My YouTube Channel www.youtube.com/user/UkWheelHorseBlokeQuote - D'you know, it's people like you, doing totally brilliant and pointless stuff like this that gives me a little hope for humanity
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That's a new film on me, sounds fun though so I'm going to see if I can find a copy V8! It has to be a V8!!! Yank's like to use the V8 every where, even in a lawn mower. But you should use a Rover V8, so it's like a Brittish version what they do in states. To be truly British a Daimler V8 would look much better... but why stick at a V8, what about a Jaguar V12... Even though I've kinda said no to a V8 above I do like the idea of a Daimler V8, I can see the polished valve covers sticking out each side of a Wheel Horse bonnet Cost and finding one would be an issue though.. Straight 8 supercharged Bentley motor. A fine idea.. Very silly, but a fine idea Hmm... V12 or Straight 8 with supercharger... let's see... jep. First we need two Wheel Horse rigs and... They are both rather big and rather fine engines, but I think something half the length may be needed Soooo... What I'm looking for (sensible suggestions please) is an engine that has the minimum of electrics, but must have a turbo. To make life easier for me the engine/gearbox would have to be in the traditional front/rear in line set-up. Petrol or diesel, though I have always fancied building a diesel Wheel Horse so I may be leaning slightly towards an oil burner.. How easy is it to tune a TD engine from a P100? I understand they have a different turbo to the same engine fitted in an Escort? I only ask as I found this photo from a project that was not to be..
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My YouTube Channel www.youtube.com/user/UkWheelHorseBlokeQuote - D'you know, it's people like you, doing totally brilliant and pointless stuff like this that gives me a little hope for humanity
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Air cooled lombardini engine from a gen set or narrowboat? You could always bolt a blower on for extra cool points in the paddock,,
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Speak to Frankenhealey ....... Its got to be a turbine powered machine!!
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How about the inline VAG engines from passats and many Audi, inline and vee flavors, some with turbo garnish and also petrol or diesel, and the gearbox is a transaxle making it short. Assorted Subaru engine / box combinations also match the criteria Ttfn Glenn
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Found my camera. Here are a couple of inspirational pics. Nothing runs like a Caterpillar. Or maybe if it's not a Cat it's a Deere. Caterpillar V8, Allison transmission, and 6000 series John Deere back end. Perkins V8 conversion in old Farmall. Not sure what model. It goes hard though. 454 Chev in David Brown Cropmaster. This one goes pretty hard too. Does good wheelstands.
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Last Edit: Jan 8, 2016 8:39:27 GMT by igor
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