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Oct 10, 2015 20:48:37 GMT
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Hello all.
My 205 seems to have a sporadic starting issue...
9 times out of 10 everything is fine but that one time nothing happens! I turn the key and it is as dead as a doughnut (nothing, zilch, zero)!
I think it could be the starter motor as there are times when it seems like it takes just the slightest bit longer than it should to start.
If anyone has any hints then I'd love to hear them as I want to keep this little beauty running on-song!
Ta muchly!
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Oct 10, 2015 20:50:37 GMT
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maybe a dead segment on the starter or sticky brushes ...either way might not hurt to have it apart for a clean up and see what the brushes are like
otherwise are the battery cables and earths all clean and tight
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scimjim
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Oct 11, 2015 13:20:48 GMT
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Difficult to trace intermittent faults but I'd check/clean the ignition barrel first.
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jonxs
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Oct 11, 2015 14:39:51 GMT
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Check the small wire that goes to the starter is good all along the loom.
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ChasR
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Oct 11, 2015 15:17:20 GMT
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Does it click from the starter or nothing at all?
I'd see what washers have been used to put the starter feed on. I have seen many people put spring washers in, which tend to glow and cause a non start issue in time.
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Oct 11, 2015 16:39:38 GMT
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I had same on a bx. It was ignition switch.
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Oct 13, 2015 11:45:26 GMT
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Does it click from the starter or nothing at all? When this problem makes itself known absolutely nothing happens... A deathly silence just fills the cabin! |
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Oct 13, 2015 15:19:12 GMT
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Is the engine earth good?
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Oct 13, 2015 15:25:59 GMT
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Which engine and age?
the most common cause is volt drop from corrosion in the starter solenoid wire, certain ages also have a brown multiplug in the engine bay adding further points of resistanceand corrosion, best remedy is to add a fresh length of wire back to inside the cabin, depending on model there's an useful plug next to the heater/steering column you can terminate it.
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ChasR
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Oct 13, 2015 18:05:19 GMT
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Do you have any dash lights coming on inside the car?
If it were me I would check the solenoid wiring and see if 12V is presemt when it comes to start. Being a diesel the engine earth is also a good shout.
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Oct 13, 2015 21:56:48 GMT
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dead spot on starter motor/ solenoid contacts, I had an escort that done the same.
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Oct 14, 2015 10:22:31 GMT
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when it won't start, leave the ignition on apply a live to the solonoid if it fires over and starts. ignition switch. if it still won't starter.
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Oct 14, 2015 13:50:58 GMT
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starters are pretty easy to take apart and overhaul , look on youtube to get the rough idea theres lots of info
should get away with cleaning it and maybe new brushes , bit of grease here n there
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Oct 14, 2015 20:05:24 GMT
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Before condemning parts check the wiring between ignition switch and starter. As Welshpug says, a drop in voltage due to corrosion in connections or just high resistance in the wiring is quite likely 20+ year old French car! Either carry out some testing with a multimeter or just jump straight in and replace the wire (adding a relay will reduce the load on the ignition switch). May save you wasting money on a new starter motor and ignition switch, or at the very least prevent a future failure.
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Oct 15, 2015 18:53:09 GMT
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Before condemning parts check the wiring between ignition switch and starter. As Welshpug says, a drop in voltage due to corrosion in connections or just high resistance in the wiring is quite likely 20+ year old French car! Either carry out some testing with a multimeter or just jump straight in and replace the wire (adding a relay will reduce the load on the ignition switch). May save you wasting money on a new starter motor and ignition switch, or at the very least prevent a future failure. Unless the fault is the switch or starter in which case you have just wasted time a money replacing good wiring? |
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Oct 15, 2015 19:54:57 GMT
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its an old 205, its wont be time wasted not will a few feet of wire cost much, whereas the pretty long lasting starter and ignition switch cost quite a lot more and take a bit more time to do.
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Oct 16, 2015 22:01:17 GMT
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Thanks for all the help and advice folks, I will investigate as much as I can when I get a bit of time on Sunday...
I hate to say it and I probably shouldn't say it but things have been fine all this week!!!
Anyhow, it's an old motor so I think an hour spent checking wiring and cleaning up a few parts isn't too much of surprise!
The list of things to remedy does keep growing though...
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Oct 17, 2015 13:44:12 GMT
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I had a very similar issue with my vito and now it will not start off of the key.
My fault was related to a fault with an ecu earth. To solve this it would have meant pulling the ecu and sending it off. The fault meant it wasn't sending a live feed to the relay. I bypassed this by giving the relay a permanent live, only activated when the key was turned so not a battery drain.
How do you overcome the problem when it won't engage the starter?
Is there any chance you could get on the contacts and determine if you are getting 12V Come through? If you are you know your problem is related to the coil in your starter or something in there. If you are not you know your fault is further back in system.
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