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Oct 13, 2015 21:43:45 GMT
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By accident, I received another magazine along with my Practical classics magazine, mentioning no names, it's one that is dedicated to cars that were made in Dagenham, and generally don't hang about, having had lots, and lots of modifications to make them go better, if you get my drift! I was really surprised at the very serious amount of space framing, cutting about, and then shouting about it, and most with the number plates clearly showing! With all of the hype on the letters the dvla are sending out to owners of classic/ rebuilt stuff, surely this is a bit of a red rag to a bull? Considering many land rovers are getting a lot of 'interest', surely to get a magazine sent to your office with all the details of all the cars must be like Christmas and birthday come at once? If it were my job, I would be very interested indeed! I have been very careful to try to stay within the guidelines for doing modifications (that's why I bought a Scimitar)Am I the only one surprised by this??
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Oct 13, 2015 21:46:44 GMT
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yes all the time. people seem surprised that these letters are arriving, but look how many years people have flouted the written rules.
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Oct 13, 2015 22:02:01 GMT
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Talking of Practical Classics and IVA, I thought an IVA meant getting a Q plate, but they've just put their Westfield through and it seems to have retained the plate of the donor Vehicle (G reg).
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Oct 13, 2015 22:21:40 GMT
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Yes, I thought that was difficult to get a car through as well, or is it just the expense that put people off? I suppose if is not a historic vehicle, and it's what you want, and you've spent thousands of pounds and hours on it, who cares if it's on a q plate? I've not seen a q plate in years......always used to see them on dodgy xr3s in the 90s!
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Oct 13, 2015 22:26:06 GMT
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Many years ago Practical Classics did an article on the restoration of a "Droop Snoop". It was in a poor state so a better Viva E was found and used as a shell donor. At the time I posted messages saying this wasn't a restoration of the original car but rather the cloning of it's rare identify onto a more common model - little like an 850 Mini with Cooper components doesn't make it a Cooper any more than a Escort Popular with Mexico parts makes it a genuine Mexico. I got flamed and stopped posting but surprise, surprise no more was mentioned in the magazine about the "restoration" !
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Oct 13, 2015 22:37:52 GMT
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I agree with the OP - Basically anyone who lets a magazine feature their car listing illegal mods must want their head examined - I guess vanity takes over or some don't even know the rules. But for those who do know and understand the rules, why build a car that isn't legal if you intend using it on the road?
The Journos don't care so long as they get their copy in the magazine and (eventually) get paid. The magazine publishers don't care because they generally have no interest in cars and the mag is nothing more than a means of attracting advertisers and hence revenue.
As for the editors of the magazines, I suspect many of them don't even know / understand the rules themselves . . .
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Talking of Practical Classics and IVA, I thought an IVA meant getting a Q plate, but they've just put their Westfield through and it seems to have retained the plate of the donor Vehicle (G reg). If your using an official 'kit' based build and the major components come from a single vehicle, you can be granted an age-related plate based on the year of registration of the donor.
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Yes, I thought that was difficult to get a car through as well, or is it just the expense that put people off? I suppose if is not a historic vehicle, and it's what you want, and you've spent thousands of pounds and hours on it, who cares if it's on a q plate? I've not seen a q plate in years......always used to see them on dodgy xr3s in the 90s! It really isn't difficult in most cases. It does take a lot of forethought and planning, and you can end up with expensive or even unobtainable items, such as correctly marked glass for an old or unusual car.
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There's still plenty of people who believe getting an mot from a mate in the biz is legal and won't be told otherwise. With the rise of FB I've seen on numerous occasions people giving 'expert' advice to just get chopping and there's nothing illegal about it.
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I remember that article on the droop snoop! And a while later the same or similar magazine ran a campaign to try to allow owners to save a rotten car by replacing it with another basic shell......the car in question was a very rotten Saab 99.
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Both the main mini magazines regularly do articles on ringers.
"Bobs amazing 1960 850 which he has completed a full restoration on"... Is clearly from the mid 90s...
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Does anyone know what the DVLA or whatever they are calling themselves want in terms of images? I can only presume shots of the exterior, interior, engine bay and underside?
This is me just wondering, I studied the points system when doing the conversion on the GT to make sure I didn't change anything they listed (just engine and Transmission) in my case.
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Oct 14, 2015 10:48:20 GMT
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The first step is read this about the points system that decides whether a car needs testing in the first place. The points system dictates whether a test and subsequent Q plate is required. The point about the original body shell is covered. www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/radically-altered-vehiclesAs you can see it isn't only bodywork changes that could trigger an inspection. Reshells can only take place with a brand new shell supplied by the original manufacturer, this rules out substituting one old she'll for another (however good the condition).
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Oct 14, 2015 11:59:32 GMT
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Oct 14, 2015 13:24:00 GMT
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Well the car I read about had a space frame under the bonnet, no inner wings, a v8 engine, modded suspension, brakes, box, in fact there wasn't really a lot left.......but it did look reasonably standard to the unknowing passer by. The whole points system was blown out of the water long ago, and that's before he got the grinder and welder out! I have read the ace report several times, and looked it up again after I read the article on the car! Question... Can you???.....no! Question....can someone?.....no! Is it possible to retain?......no! Response....the dvla, or whatever we call ourselves do not want you to do anything to your car, cutting the body is just not allowed, and we would prefer you to return your car to the dealership for any work, such as the fitting of stripes or a radio.
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Oct 14, 2015 15:06:43 GMT
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QUOTE: Response....the dvla, or whatever we call ourselves do not want you to do anything to your car, cutting the body is just not allowed, and we would prefer you to return your car to the dealership for any work, such as the fitting of stripes or a radio.
But that just isn't true - the IVA system was introduced to allow you do just that.
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Oct 14, 2015 15:08:58 GMT
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Oct 14, 2015 15:20:39 GMT
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Have you seen Andy Frosts Drag Racing Vauxhall Victor? I've read on other forums that he was using that on the road until DVLA/VOSA/DVSA, or whatever they are called this week, withdrew his V5 - would seem someone reported him. The car has now succesfully gone through BIVA apparently
Now, if that can pass . . . . . .
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Oct 14, 2015 16:34:30 GMT
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From what I understand Andy Frost's car was reported by somebody within the drag racing scene (for reasons I wouldn't want to speculate on) so that wasn't directly due to a magazine feature.
I expect the majority of cases of cars that have been called in by the "DVLA/VOSA/DVSA, or whatever they are called this week" were acting on similar specific intelligence from members of the public, MOT testers (and quite possibly people reading site such as this) and so on, i can't believe they're sitting in their offices with copies of magazines circling photos of every offending car.
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Oct 14, 2015 16:36:19 GMT
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It's (to me) unclear from looking at the DVLA site, do all cars that aren't to original manufactures spec need to be tested or is it just the cars that can't get 8 or more points?
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