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Dec 28, 2015 18:12:35 GMT
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Hi all, I've been taking a break from my bike engine Wheel Horse build (Project Why Not)for a while as.. Well, I needed a break after a year odd of building her.. But don't worry I will be getting back to her very soon.. So what have I been up to?? What do you do if you have a tractor that's got all the bells and whistles you could ever need but is so ugly you can't even look at it?   This is a joint project between Nigel and I as Nigel needed a new project and I needed a break from Why Not! The ugly machine above is a German built Gutbrod 1032 which is actually a very strong and capable machine, it's just a shame about the looks.. Even just removing the body was an improvement  Now as you all know my taste in tractors I expect you can guess where this build is going and you will also of worked out how we came up with the Horse Gut name  We didn't plan to build HG like this, but as we had a few WH body parts kicking about we thought we would try them on.. The instant grin that both Nigel and I had showed we were on to a winner What do you guys think?   Once we had finished balancing bits of bodywork and grinning (ok, we may still be grinning about it ), we started work. The Gutbrod was missing a few parts one of which was the rod that holds the pedals on, so to make life easier out came the rubber mounted engine.  Measuring up the final length of the pedal rod.  Both brake pedals fitted, yes both, it has independent brakes each side. The plate on the top pedal turns to unlock the pedals giving you independent brakes.  The other side of the rod has the clutch pedal and a pivot thingy that connects the rear brake on the left side.  Nigel cut down the Gutbrod fender pan mounts.  To get the fender pan closer to the tyres.  The Gutbrod exhaust muffler had to go as it was ugly, badly repaired and full of holes. So we decided on a rear exit system.. As this is a budget build a bit of recycling was in order, so an old wheel barrow frame was dug out  A bit of chopping and welding later...  Fitted but in need of a clean up.  The electrics which looked a mess wasn't to bad once I had removed all the bits that were not needed such as indicators, horn and headlamps which had side and main beam! The Dynostart was full of water, but once drained and dried out the water does not seam to of done any damage which was quite lucky. It would of been nice to of kept the original Gutbrod ignition barrel and key, but alas the barrel was a it past it.. So I fitted an odd WH barrel I had kicking about the place. Just a simple "on" "off" and "start" sort of barrel.  As for the engine.. Well, it wanted to run but wouldn't quite.. It try's to run but is having problems with over fueling.. In fact the engine gave us loads of problems, but more on that later in this thread. It's nice building something different but usable and it's nice doing a joint project. Nigel and I have the same warped thinking when it come to projects |
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Last Edit: Dec 28, 2015 18:14:13 GMT by Stigian
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Dec 28, 2015 18:43:44 GMT
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Nigel and I have been having fun trying to get the engine running right. Were not there quite yet but certainly heading in the right direction. Changing the spark plug from a long reach to a short reach made a vast difference to the quality of the spark, we now have a strong health spark but we will be fitting an electronic ignition kit to make it 100% reliable.. Although we did kinda have the engine running on the original carb, but the carb is so worn with lots of play (and air leaks) in/around the spindles that the best name for it is junk! So out of interest we thought we would try a pit bike carb that Nigel had kicking about the place..  As we couldn't find any rubber pipe the right size for a temporary inlet manifold the rubber was removed from an old mower pedal and used The engine wanted to run but as the carb is a bit too small it was never going to work that well... So.. a correct size pit bike carb will be ordered and I will make a steel inlet fannymold  I have slowly been beating the fender pan back into shape. It came from one of Karl's (Nigel's son) racing mowers and as well as being battered during racing it gained a few extra holes... 61 holes in total!  You know it's been hit hard when it has a 1 inch kink in it!  Lot's of hammer work later it's looking straighter.  The fender pan is hard work but it's getting there slowly. To see where the smaller dents are I had to strip off the red powder coating which wasn't much fun as it's hard stuff! I gave the back of the pan a quick coat of blue paint and gave it a light sanding back once it had dried.. The blue bits left are all low spots which need to be beaten out..  Slowly the blue bits are going as the pan gets straighter.  This is the corner where the big kink was.  That's enough about the fender pan for now, onto an inlet manifold for the new carb.. Lathe work has been interesting due to problems with both Nigel's and my lathes but we got there in the end.. Starting with a bit of pipe being cleaned up.  The inside was bored out a bit so it would be a tight fit on the original manifold.  Boring out the mounting flange.  A taper was cut so the pipe could be firmly welded on.  Like so.  Now that's a nice bead of weld.  Back on the lathe to turn the welds down and give a nice flat mounting surface..  A bit of trimming, cleaning, welding and painting later the carb bolts on It's a shame the carb has problems but a new one had been ordered.  |
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Dec 28, 2015 18:50:30 GMT
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And so the engine troubles continued!! Even with a new carb and posh inlet manifold the engine would still not run right, and then I noticed a bubble! For what ever reason there was some liquid around one of the head bolts, and it was bubbling!  Only one thing to do.. Yep, start pulling the head off to see if the head gasket had gone!  As it turned out the head bolts were not as tight as they should of been and the head wasn't as flat as it shuld of been.. Hhhmm.. Plenty of carbon in there!  The valves badly needed grinding back in as they didn't sit to well, also the stems were coated in carbon and crud so out they came for a clean and to be lapped in.  With the engine back together it ran..... Just as badly as before!  Oh... And this turned up and a panel donor for Gut horse! The trouble is it's too nice to break up, well I think so..  |
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Dec 28, 2015 19:12:38 GMT
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The bonnet/hood was mounted and with a bit of trimming we found a way to hold the dash panels in place.   Which also means that now we don't have to break the donor Commando 8 up! And yes it's for sale.. With a bit of trimming the battery was made to fit in it's original postion. You can also see how the bit of WH bodywork under the dash surround is fitted.. Behind the bolts are a couple of captive nuts welded to a bracket which is welded to the chassis.  No idea what this fuel tank is from, but it's a nice size..  As you will of noticed we had to cut part of the dash surround out to make the tank fit. Before you ask there will be some rubber going between the fuel tank and the battery terminals to stop and accidental shorting out from happening.  The gap under the front of the dash surround needed sorting..  So a patch was cut to fit the gap..  Nigel cleaning up one of the front wheels.  I think this plate came from a Wh 314, I'm not 100% sure.. But it does make a nice heavy duty bracket for holding the fuel tank in place.. Tank and bracket upside down in this photo.  I thought I'd have a play with the camera affects setting for this welding photo.. If it's not blue it's black and white   We found that the welds that hold the steering column to the chassis had cracked, so as well as welding the cracks up we added a gusset to add some extra strength.. A view from the side.  From the front you can see the gusset has had a shaped plate plug welded to it..  So when the body under the dash bit slides on..  It's a perfect fit  More to come later, dinner needed |
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Oooh, another one. Bookmarked!
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Dec 30, 2015 17:28:39 GMT
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here a couple of thing i like, Ride on mowers (/ little tractors) and your builds. not hijacking your thread, heres mine. Gonna start on the ferrari when i finish my big tractor  keep up the good work |
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whip it, into shape ........ go forward
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Dec 30, 2015 19:31:33 GMT
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The carb in the pics looks way to big for the motor but keep tinkering, tempted to get 1 and boost it
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Oooh, another one. Bookmarked! Thank you Sir. here a couple of thing i like, Ride on mowers (/ little tractors) and your builds. not hijacking your thread, heres mine. Gonna start on the ferrari when i finish my big tractor keep up the good work Ooooo, that's a rather nice Ferrari.. What's the engine in it? The carb in the pics looks way to big for the motor but keep tinkering, tempted to get 1 and boost it The pit bike carb was actually for a engine almost half the size of Horse Gut's MAG engine. Time for some more of the build When I got into the workshop one morning I found Nigel had left me a kinda message on the bonnet!... I can't decide if Nigel was just checking he had my name spelt right or it was just a hint that I should clean the paint off or not!  Close up you can see how thick the paint is, you can also see how bad Nigel's writing is  Most of the front of the bonnet paint free.. It was nice to see the detail coming back that was hidden under many coats..  Trying Horse Gut for size, not bad but the seat needs to be raised a couple of inches..  Until we dropped HG down almost ground level we had never noticed how skinny it looks around the middle! Also lower makes it look longer for some reason!  So I had a play with some cardboard to see if some extra material of the chassis and fender pan would improve things.... It most certainly did The fender pan needs a few tweaks to give the front a bit more angle.   As Nigel had a very full workshop for a next week, HG found her way into my workshop.. HG is only 4 inches longer than the Cammo 8 which is up for sale by the way  |
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Some good news Guy's, at long last Horse Gut is not only up and running, but also driving Part of the problem as we found out was the new float was too tall, which meant when the float went up it bottomed out on the carb body before shutting off the fuel! Once the old float and jet went back in the flooding stopped. One thing that was really bugging me was why the spark was so weak at the plug until the ignition was turned off when it produced a nice fat bright spark just the once! This got me thinking, so I did a little research.. And found an external condenser on a car engine is wired onto the positive side of the coil, where as small engines say a Kohler or a Mag the condenser is wired onto the negative side of the coil... No prizes for guess which way we had it wired! Soooo... armed with a condenser wired in the right way, and also the base jet settings for the Bing carb the engine was soon brought to life Of course all this happened before Nigel had turned up, so I carefully timed it that just as Nigel was pulling in I was driving Horse Gut out the workshop!! The look on Nigel's face was priceless.. At first he thought I was driving the Cammo 8 without a bonnet, until he noticed I was driving past the Cammo 8 which did still have it's bonnet on! Picture a look of confused/think your seeing things/disbelief all rolled into one which after a minute gave way to a big grin  Cleaning layers of paint off is never fun!  There was at least four thick layers!  So with the thick old paint off and a quick coat of red oxide sprayed on to stop it rusting (the weather is rather damp at the mo) I could get a good look at the damage the thick paint hid!  Lot's of hammer and dolly work later the hood is starting to look a lot straighter   The hole was where a wing/rear view mirror was bolted on (the hood came from a racing mower), but the hole has now gone along with a few extras that were not needed.  Now for something dashing Starting with a sheet of ally which we rolled a rib into  Nigel doing some light shaping of the plate.  A check for fit..  And the almost finished dash panel, all it needs a a choke cable fitted.  And for your viewing pleasure, the latest Horse Gut video. |
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Now you see the hydraulic pump bracket..  Now you don't As it wasn't needed and looked ugly, Nigel cut it off and gave the remaining bracket a nice curve  A couple more "arty blue" shots of Nigel welding..   Some rather heavy duty welding too as the chassis extension plates went on..  I don't think it will move in a hurry  A distance shot to show you how the plates give HG a more substantial and "less thin in the middle" look.  A strange shaped plate in the making..  Which got tacked on in situ..  Then this weird bloke welded it up   I've had two of these frames in my "might come in handy one day" collection for about 12 years.. Yesterday was the day to use one..  Some cutting, welding and drilling later it had turn into this spacer.  Which fits here to raise the front of the fender pan up a bit..  |
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here a couple of thing i like, Ride on mowers (/ little tractors) and your builds. not hijacking your thread, heres mine. Gonna start on the ferrari when i finish my big tractor keep up the good work Ooooo, that's a rather nice Ferrari.. What's the engine in it? It has a diesel motore lombardini lda 510 14 hp engine, although I've not had it started yet. Would love a work shop like yours! |
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whip it, into shape ........ go forward
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Nice engines those Lombardini's  As for a workshop, it looks like your half way there with the barn you tractors are kept in.. All you need to do is add a few extra walls |
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Evening Guy's n Girls, well progress on Project Horse Gut is going at a fair old rate, which does feel a bit strange for someone who's project normally take at least a year! With HG pulled apart the fun job of cleaning and repainting loads of parts could start... The gearbox gets it's first coat of red oxide..  It always amazes me how a quick coat of paint can make something look a 1000 times better  Before we went any further with painting we thought we should get the front axle off!! The axle pin had other ideas and refused to move using all the normal methods, i.e a large hammer and block of wood.. Soooo.. Time for some welding..  One very large steel bar welded to the axle pin!  The heat from welding wasn't enough to talk the pin into moving, so it got more heat..  Until eventually the pin decided it had had enough and finally twisted loose then out!  Another milestone reached... Yep the first coat of shiny paint went on.. IH red which I had left from painting the 6x6 all those years ago..  Not too bad after the first coat.  Waiting for red oxide to dry on the chassis..  The front axle got it's first top coat too..  |
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Fantastic! Where do you buy your tyres from ?
Thanks Ash
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Jan 13, 2016 16:22:45 GMT
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Thanks Ash. I get my tyres from All terrain tyresA bit more progress.. That's what you call deep pitting!  The deep pitting belongs to this part, the top bit of the chassis?/part the steering is welded to.. It must have a name but I've no idea what it is..! Just out of shot on the right we had to let in some new metal as it had rusted away..  I guess the correct way to fix all the rust pitting would be to cut it out and weld in fresh metal, the trouble is we would of have to replace about 85% of the panel! So after killing off all the rust with Jenolite on went the dreaded bondo/filler!! I hate the stuff!   That looks way better  Engine painted, still have the tins to do which will be sprayed at the same time as the bodywork.  The Dynostart getting a coat of red..  We are currently working on the fender pan and bonnet/hood.. It's a lot of work to get them looking good but worth it The trouble is we are having trouble finding matching paint. International Harvest red (which everything so far has been painted with) it would seem has been replaced by International red, which despite a local dealer (who sold us the paint) telling us they are the same colour, as you can see they are not... IH red on the left, I red on the right!  |
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Jan 24, 2016 14:12:18 GMT
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Jan 24, 2016 14:27:04 GMT
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Jan 24, 2016 15:01:50 GMT
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Nigel dug out his Beugler pin striping tool.. 
