Darkspeed
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Feb 16, 2017 11:07:24 GMT
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So, whilst we are waiting for the laminate in the arch repairs to cure, let us return to the hub painting. The issue with the original "expert specialist restorer" modified hubs was that they were so damn bad they fouled the very expensive alloy drums. Here is the "witness" for the prosecution. The refurbished standard hubs fit far better. In this picture the keen eyed amongst you will see the damage that the incorrect studs did to these drums. Job done - Now just need a large torque wrench to fit them.
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Last Edit: Feb 16, 2017 11:15:47 GMT by Darkspeed
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Darkspeed
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Feb 16, 2017 14:24:12 GMT
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Whilst waiting for the repair sections to fully cure you may as well get stuck into the rest of the repair works Rear floor that had been butchered about to clear some chassis strengthening mods Same Modus Operandi 1. Grind it out with the die grinder 2. CSM and resin And in this partuicular case finish the surface off with some top coat A week or so later once the composite has fully cured the repairs can be released. One of the jobs done
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Darkspeed
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Feb 16, 2017 15:05:21 GMT
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How to make a lightweight bumper - Nothing related to the Strato's as it does not have any but whilst I am having a Ginetta detour. Take a mould from half a VW Beetle front bumper that the Ginetta G15 uses as its front bumpers seen previously Prep the mould with plenty of polish Consider what materials you fancy experimenting with. Get the materails you want to use prepared and ready Gel coat Tissue, CSM and a layer of Crows foot weave fabric It's light - trimmed to size the bumper weighs in at 200gms but its only decorative - Then again due to the way the bumpers are mounted on a G15 all they protect is the glass fibre that is directly behind it. Straight out the mould shiney
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Darkspeed
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Feb 16, 2017 21:14:22 GMT
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Stratos wise I have obtained another set of Triumph triple throttle bodies - For no other reason than they were at the right price when browsing ebay recently. I will grab one more set when another assembly pops up again at the right price. Although looking at nevtiger 's thread where he converted his 40's to throttle bodies...... I will have to dig out the flowbench and compare: A - 40IDF with a 33mm choke B - 955i 41mm throttle body C - 40IDF with a 40mm sleeve
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Feb 16, 2017 22:19:43 GMT
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I had my 40DCOE Chokes and Aux all bored to 40mm for the 1730 engine. I looked at one of the Weber tuning guides for choke size selection for power v rpm and went from there. 432cc per cylinder works well with a 40mm TB.
They might be going on a 1980 next....
I did it to retain the 'look' and if i had a set of 3 IDF's i would do the same to them for the Sunbeam. Management is just so much better.
On the Tomcat 4.6 V8 i did all of the tuning myself on the road using some tuning algorithms that just required an AFR map to work against, it took a while but eventually it was flawless and although i don't know the power figures it must of been adequate as it won a couple of times :-)
P.s. don't buy all the Triumph TB's i still need another set.....
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Darkspeed
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A 40mm throttle body should feed a cylinder with enough air for 50+BHP, so your Webers, and mine if I go that route should be good for 200BHP and 300BHP on 4 and 6 cylinders respectively - More than enough for what I will be abble to squeeze out of the old Honda lump. If upping the capacity on the Tiger to 1980 they should feed enough air as it's very good going to exceed 100BHP/litre out of larger pushrod motors, especially those forcing all the gas in and out of the same side, as port space starts getting tight. The Triumph throttle bodies have a taper after the butterfly but I suspect they will shift enough air for 50BHP If I manage to get close to approach 250BHP on the Honda I will be very pleased but I suspect I will be cam/follower limited. I am sure there will be plenty of Triple sets about for some time to come - It's the getting them delivered for less than £30 a set complete that's the trick
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Well I have just spent the evening reading this from the start. Had to read the middle part twice to get my head round the flow bench but we got there!!!
I love your work and skill I also have seen a lot of kit cars and restorations of classic cars where welding and skill just isn't there and you think how that's just doesn't fall apart.
Great work throughout this thread and keep the updates coming I have now booked marked this to keep up with the progress. Now I must get out soon and get my projects under way again thanks for the boost.
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Darkspeed
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Feb 17, 2017 11:48:47 GMT
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Well I have just spent the evening reading this from the start. Had to read the middle part twice to get my head round the flow bench but we got there!!! I love your work and skill I also have seen a lot of kit cars and restorations of classic cars where welding and skill just isn't there and you think how that's just doesn't fall apart. Great work throughout this thread and keep the updates coming I have now booked marked this to keep up with the progress. Now I must get out soon and get my projects under way again thanks for the boost. Very nice of you to say that, and if the thread can give a little boost of motivation amongst the clutter and confusion "Bonus Feature" I am sure by the time I have completed this thread it will have to be re-named - "Two dozen projects and an unfinished Strato's Kit" but I will just plod along trying to enjoy the journey whilst plotting my progress and deviations whilst trying not to get lost along the way.
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Darkspeed
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Feb 18, 2017 11:30:34 GMT
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Well, it looks like the early red G15 that I have been repairing will be at the NEC Practical Classic restoration show at the end of March. Apparently it will be sitting perched a distance above it's Malkin Motorsport repaired chassis.
Sun's out, I may go and look at a Strato's....
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Darkspeed
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Feb 18, 2017 22:04:18 GMT
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Well I looked at it, and then decided to carry on working on the visitor G15 and finish the fitting of the hubs and a few other jobs so that I can get it back to the owner. The other hub was just as bad, bent studs that protrude too far ill fitted studs. And a home made tab washer Things like this also niggle me - it takes no effort to draw a file over a cut down screw - and that indicates to me the standards some work to and the majority that has been carried out on this car in the past. Different stud types again The old roll around wheels do not fit over the tab washes - so I had to stick one of my Minators on it. Got a new problem to try and address The front end has adjustable camber via shims that pack out the lower wishbone, same as a Triumph Herald / Spifire etc. however without any shims we have: 0.5 degree on one side And 3.5 degrees on the other !!! Wonderful - That's going to be an interesting one to sort out. I had expected that I would have to mess about with the rear toe, but I had overlooked that the muppets who built the chassis could have cocked up the camber adjustability so spectacularly.
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Last Edit: Feb 18, 2017 22:07:13 GMT by Darkspeed
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Feb 18, 2017 22:20:02 GMT
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Front suspension fitted by Dutton then Andy?
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1988 DUTTON LEGERRA MK1 - SPARES DONOR 1989 DUTTON LEGERRA MK2 - CURRENT PROJECT 1990 DUTTON LEGERRA ZS MK2 1990 DUTTON LEGERRA ZS MK2 DUTTON PHAETON S2 - Resting DUTTON PHAETON S4 - Resting DUTTON PHAETON S4 - PROJECT X DUTTON SIERRA S2 - Resting
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Darkspeed
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Feb 18, 2017 23:02:17 GMT
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Front suspension fitted by Dutton then Andy? I will not argue that Dutton must have had some 87.2 degree set squares and used dress making fabric tapes for rulers but this chassis builder must have been using the squares that where thrown out by Duttons quality control, and was using a fabric tape that had been through a boil wash in his overalls. This is a Ginetta Heritage "RACE" chassis. - I guess we must have one for ovals.....
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Last Edit: Feb 18, 2017 23:19:38 GMT by Darkspeed
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Darkspeed
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Feb 19, 2017 18:30:23 GMT
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Looked at the Strato's - then at the L200 as it has recently developed a leak at the back of the head. And I need to tow car operational to get rid of the Orange G15. So I took the head off and found the problem. - I also found a broken Balancer shaft belt along the way. This is going to be a exepensive month.... A layer of the MLS gasket has shrunk/been pulled into the chamber - which has then been hammered by the valve - this has pulled the gasket through a water way and let water out the back of the head - I just cant figure why it's pulled the gasket - no poor running or anything. done it at the front as well but the valve has missed it. Hmmmmmm....
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Darkspeed
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Feb 21, 2017 16:17:37 GMT
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I dropped the L200 head into Motorcast in Wem for a skim and I cannot fault the service that they provide. Washed, skimmed, a coat of alloy paint to brighten it up, a head temperature warranty sticker and plastic wrapped in HD poly all for £48 inc. Plenty busy in the there as they look to do the head and engine work for a lot of the North Shropshire dealers and specialists but they turned it round in 24 hrs for me. And so did Milners 4x4 for all the engine parts required to put it back together again.
Head under the bonnet required to get the block cleaned off and then a day of assembly. It can then be used to deliver the G15 back to its owner and I can get on with some Strato's based tinkering..... Maybe! - I have a G21 to do a little job on.
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Darkspeed
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Feb 23, 2017 14:14:59 GMT
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Better add some some Strato's content - lest we loose the original reason for this thread
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Feb 23, 2017 22:08:03 GMT
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Wow what a fantastic video thank you for posting this up
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Darkspeed
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As I was working reasonably locally to Lister Bell yesterday I dropped in a picked up a few parts that I had been saving up for and making decisions on. First was the dash panel which is a RHD - Now, for those trying to build for the closest possible driving experience to an original, they would go for LHD to try and plant that additional seed of doubt in the mind of the more than casual observer. I however, have been driving RHD cars for more than a few years, and in that time quite a lot of muscle memory has developed that means when I drive a LHD, I keep looking at the A post to see what's behind me, and occasional changing gear with a door handle. As it's very likely that I will occassionally be driving the Corse quickly I would rather have those decades of RHD familiarity working for, rather than against me. Off to Race-Retro back later.
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Darkspeed
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Feb 25, 2017 19:38:43 GMT
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Well - That was Race Retro done for a few years. Lister Bell Stratos Group 4 dash The blank area on the passenger side is not for ICE - its a place to mount a Brantz as seen here on the dash of the historic rally prepared G15 The row of holes are for circuit breakers And the large holes are for this lot. And the Z shaped row for these - what you cannot see is that the is a small lamp in the centre. And a few other odds and ends - the rear vioew mirror bracket I liked and sone seat belt anchor plates and some quick release rear clam hinge pins. Its always dangerous dropping into Lister Bell as I have just seen the new rear exhaust boxes they are producing - more stuff to save up for.
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Darkspeed
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The good old L200 is kind of back up and running and we will leave it there. I have the week off work so after doing some garden type stuff whilst trying not to look at the L200 I consoled myself and took the cover off the Strato's - just the colour alone lifts the spirits . When I was at LB, as well as the clocks I also collected a few lengths of CDS - as the chassis is a independent engineer verified design the main cage tubes are only 1.5" and the back stays are in the calcs as 1.25" so some nice lightweight small diam CDS will be engineered to fit to keep with the chassis design paperwork. None of this truck racing 45mm stuff required. I had thought about a double diagonal - but for the sake of keeping it lightweight a single will do. Proof that I have done some recent work on it. Then a shot to remind myself what I need to look at in regards to strengthening to stop it cracking in the future. I also need to look at the suspension pick up points. The lower wishbone is at an angle rising from the rear of the car to the front providing anti squat and the forward pick-up is also inboard compared to the rear. Took a measurement for clearance on the suspension and 12" rear rims are no problem ..
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Good to see the stratos getting some love. Dan
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