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squonk
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I think that the 2.4 is the same engine as fitted to the HiLux/Surf in which it doesn't have a very good reputation. However, my Surf has that engine and I've never had a scrap of trouble with it despite some horrendous abuse off roading and towing. It currently has about 150k kms on it and runs sweet as a nut. It could be that in the Hiace it has less stress as it is a lighter vehicle so is generally Ok.
As with any engine, mileage is less important than a proof of good service history.
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Last Edit: Feb 6, 2016 18:31:57 GMT by squonk
2004 Chevrolet Avalanche Z71 2005 Mercedes CLK320 Cabriolet 1996 Mercedes C180 Elegance Auto Saloon 1996 Rover 620Ti (Dead fuel pump) 1992 Toyota HiLux Surf 1987 Range Rover Vogue (Rusty) 1992 Range Rover Vogue SE (More Rusty) 2006 Chrysler Grand Voyager 2008 Corsa 1.4 Design
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Whats its bad rep for?
Whats the petrol like? I thought hiaces were generally considered great. Seems they rot, and now I learn the engines arent all that, how has the hiace got its good rep?
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squonk
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The 2.4 is supposedly prone to head gasket failure and cracking of the cylinder head. But like I said, thats as fitted into the Surf in which it has to work very hard as its a heavy old beast with a lot of transmission components to turn.
All older Japanese vehicles rot when exposed to UK salted roads and UK rainy climate. I know that the HiLux is considered almost indestructable, didn't know the Hiace had the same rep. A colleague of mine had a 1990ish people carrier verion some years ago and that always seemed to have something wrong with it. Bit of a curse word to work on too as the engine was between the front seats.
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Last Edit: Feb 6, 2016 18:48:32 GMT by squonk
2004 Chevrolet Avalanche Z71 2005 Mercedes CLK320 Cabriolet 1996 Mercedes C180 Elegance Auto Saloon 1996 Rover 620Ti (Dead fuel pump) 1992 Toyota HiLux Surf 1987 Range Rover Vogue (Rusty) 1992 Range Rover Vogue SE (More Rusty) 2006 Chrysler Grand Voyager 2008 Corsa 1.4 Design
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I don't think hiace have an indestructible rep, I just thought they were considered good vans
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Is the auto any good?
I'm guessing I'm best of with the 2.4 diesel and 5 speed manual. I'm also guessing 250k is pushing the life of the engine but quite alot seem to have done this kind of milage!
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My dad had a petrol one and boy did it drink it was worse than my uncles 3.5 SD1 Rover. Changed the engine for a diesel one and bar it being gutless it never missed a beat.
I know the engines fetch good money though I had one rebuilt but untested sat in the back of the garage years advertised it on eBay and a bloke come 3 hours to collect it and send it abroad I got more for than when I privately listed it all over.
I believe that the engine is basically the same as fitted in the Hi-Lux, Previa and Surf as mentioned.
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Some days you just need to take a grinder to an inanimate object, just to make your day a tiny bit better!!
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The 2.0 Petrol is a bit gutless, but tough nonetheless. A mate has one in an 80s Hilux on LPG that has done well over 200k for 1 head gasket. The truck looks like the one TG tried to destroy - after they finished with it! It's no longer street legal but is thrashed round a large farm on a daily basis. I don't think i'd fancy an Auto version, any last vestige of performance would then disappear and the fuel consumption would be crippling. The 2.4 Diesel is the same lump as in the TG truck and it's not that bad, some do die, usually of terminal neglect but it's better than most. As said, all J stuff rots in the UK climate, Hi-Lux and Hi-Ace no exception. The separate chassis Hi-Lux gets away with it more cos the body rot is largely non structural!
Steve
BTW, LOVE the Zephyr Farnham in your avatar! I had 2 Farnhams, back in the day, both automatic Zodiacs as well as over 20 other Z cars and was, for many years, tech adviser to the MkII CZZOC.
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Farnham was proper cool, sold long ago. Ive a suspicion its now dead. Shame as there super rare these days. ive not been on here for years as ive been building bikes. Car wise ive been slowly running a berlingo into the ground. time has come to get something I like again. I want a van and after alot of thought I think a hiace is the way to go.
just need to find the right one now.
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Iv,e got a Toyota Townace 2.2 turbo diesel 4wd and it has never let me down it is so good that I bought it back from my mate! However all good things come to an end and Iv,e now obtained a Nissan Largo 2.4 petrol awd. I,m going to sell the Townace shortly (really cheap) because I can,t justify 2 dailys!and I know I,m really going to regret it !!
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If I had two brains I,d still be a halfwit 1969 Morris Minor Traveller
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The 80s hiace with the 2.4 diesel (silvertop) is more or less indestructible, ive got one with 110k miles and it's not even broken in yet. The 2.4 turbo diesel of the same era is the one that gave head gasket and head cracking problems as they couldn't handle the heat. Early 90s hiaces then came with an updated 2.4 diesel (blacktop) but these haven't a patch on the older engines. You'll find it hard to get a hiace cheap now due to the export market hiking prices up. Body wise they rot everywhere and it's gonna be hard to get one that isn't full of filler My baby^^
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Thanks. stupid question alert... from a glance, how can you tell the difference between silvertop and blacktop. is it just top cover colour? Ive seen a couple and yeah, all have rot. Ill keep looking though, trying not to give in and buy a T4
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Rocker cover would tell straight away from the colour. The above model has that engine newer model with plastic bumpers has the black top
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antni
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Cracking vans mostly killed by us carpet fitters or exported. Right up there with the mazdas Only better van ive come across for carpets was the urvan. Could fit a staggering amount of gear onboard for such a small van parking wise. All three I've owned have been no thrills and gutless but very reliable. All been diesels did own a Mitsubishi l300 petrol though of similar age and that was very thirsty.
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richr
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Yep
The carpet fitters friend.
I was talking to a fitter a few months ago who was looking at importing one as his was slowly rusting around him.
Good vans
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antni
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The engine not being allowed under the seat rule killed that shape of van unfortunately for us its a choice between something far to big or far to small now. You can park them in a space about a foot longer than the van too. Used to get people shaking their heads at me lining up to a small space, back wheel hard in to the kurb then full lock to pull the front in. Do miss mine the lwb transit i have now is a pain the .
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I used to work on a fleet of vehicles for about 4 yrs. About 30 of them were hiace power vans. 1997 onwards. All 2.4 diesels. They were the best engine ever. Not one of them broke down as a result of engine failure.
Rear diff mount went on all that had done about 65k or more.
Clutches on a few but these were not before 80k.
Had a bag wrap it's way round a driveshaft and work it's way into the diff. So not toyotas fault.
Not that economical nor the quickest vans but I would say very very reliable.
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Last Edit: Feb 8, 2016 20:36:17 GMT by theheap
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