haggis
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Well I'm not competing in anything so far but Ive set myself the budget! Car £200 Repairs so far, MOTED £480 Track wheels £100 Slicks £75 Cold air intake £50 £95 budget remaining! Getting technical now! Those wheels are amazingly light. Came from an import Subaru. should help with the old unsprung weight however after 15 years of dicking around with cars I still have no idea what that means!
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haggis
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I don't think the MSA would like the 24hours of lemons. Its hard enought to go stage rallying these days without having a second mortgage
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Last Edit: Mar 9, 2017 10:28:18 GMT by haggis
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fad
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Well I'm not competing in anything so far but Ive set myself the budget! should help with the old unsprung weight however after 15 years of dicking around with cars I still have no idea what that means! Weight that is not carried by the suspension. Kerb weight minus weight carried by springs = unsprung weight.
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It's a shame there isn't a 24 hours of LeMons in the uk, with the state of the used car market here you'd actually get some pretty decent stuff on track. Get organising! *n Have done some reading around it, appears in the UK it would be almost impossible to organise due to noise restrictions at circuits and the MSA.
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Can't believe I paid nearly 14000 for one of these back when nearly new, must have been mad! mine was only a 140 too.
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'98 e36 316i lux '97 mx5 harvard '87 Saab 900 T16s
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haggis
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Have done some reading around it, appears in the UK it would be almost impossible to organise due to noise restrictions at circuits and the MSA. Noise restrictions are easily solved, circuits can be rented but the MSA will never be reasoned with! I stopped stage rallying some years ago due to the rising costs. My safety gear cost double what the rally car did!
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chubz
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Mar 11, 2017 15:58:47 GMT
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Nothing amazingly quick but certainly impressive for the cost involved.
mk5 fiesta - £100-150 1.7 ford puma £150-200. use engine/box/ecu/engine loom and the neccessary parts ( very easy conversion, take fiesta engine out, puma bolts straight in , zsoc has lots of info ) sell puma spares, maybe £100+ back there. use the rest of the money for repairs, polybushes, coilovers and engine upgrades if theres any left. lol
be a very lively car to drive
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Last Edit: Mar 11, 2017 15:59:23 GMT by chubz
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haggis
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Well, after 6 weeks of solid work I managed to get home and with the celica ready my mate drove it over with his trade plates. Should purely cosmetics count in my challenge? I spent £25 on a red drivers side front wing and £20 on a FULL valet! I don't know what they cleaned the bonnet with but it changed colour in the rain like a global hypercolour t shirt! She's finally in the garage, MOTED, road legal and looking a bit better than when I collected it As for the budget I spent £30 on a second hand strut brace on ebay and some wheel nuts for the alloys Car £200 Repairs so far, MOTED £480 Track wheels £100 Slicks £75 Cold air intake £50 Strut Brace £30 Wheel nuts £15 £50 remaining. Cosmetics? Front Wing £25 Valet £20 Having been in the car it pulls really really well, when it hits that 6200 revs and the lift (vtec type thing) kicks in it flys up to 8000 revs. I think there is a small flat spot in 3rd gear around 5000 revs. To cure this i think I'm going to get proper plugs for it and possibly a MAF (funds depending) and I'll see how she goes after that. Hopefully I'll get a day to work on it soon! More updates to follow
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mikeymk
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It's possible to get a flight on an Airbus A380 for less than two hundred quid. You'll typically exceed 550mph, and possibly exceed 600mph, depending on the flight you're on - they're capable of over 670.
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It's possible to get a flight on an Airbus A380 for less than two hundred quid. You'll typically exceed 550mph, and possibly exceed 600mph, depending on the flight you're on - they're capable of over 670. True, but at 200 dabs, you'll be treated like cattle at the airport, have nowhere to put you or your legs, there'll either be a fat bloke or a snivelling child next to you, the food will be curse word and, if you're really unlucky, you'll end up in the Middle East! Gimmie a cheap Celica any day. Have I been flying too much?
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Mar 18, 2017 18:04:47 GMT
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Nothing amazingly quick but certainly impressive for the cost involved. mk5 fiesta - £100-150 1.7 ford puma £150-200. use engine/box/ecu/engine loom and the neccessary parts ( very easy conversion, take fiesta engine out, puma bolts straight in , zsoc has lots of info ) sell puma spares, maybe £100+ back there. use the rest of the money for repairs, polybushes, coilovers and engine upgrades if theres any left. lol be a very lively car to drive I'm probably missing the point here but if this is just theoretical, why not just just spend all the money on the Puma and save yourself the time and effort of swapping the engine etc into a Fiesta?
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Mar 20, 2017 13:35:08 GMT
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I don't think the MSA would like the 24hours of lemons. Its hard enought to go stage rallying these days without having a second mortgage The Australian version of 24 Hours of Lemons is run with proper safety gear, and therefore is nearly as expensive as normal production car racing. The safety equipment doesn't count towards the budget, and they include tyres as safety items. You must have: Roll cage - Minimum 6 point, must comply to the same CAMS standards as a normal circuit racing car Racing seat Racing harness Fire extinguisher Electrical cut-off switch, etc. Also, all drivers have to wear two layers of fireproof clothing. Entry fees are not cheap at $660 for the car plus $880 per driver, minimum of 5 drivers! So, the minimum cost for a 5-man crew is your $999 budget, plus entry fees of $5060, at least $2000 for two race suits, $500 for two helmets and maybe $3000 for the cage, seat, harness, tyres and so forth. Total Lemons spend of $11,559! Note: I actually looked up the US rules, and they are quite strict on the safety gear as well. Much cheaper entry fees though!
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chubz
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Jan 23, 2018 14:14:16 GMT
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Nothing amazingly quick but certainly impressive for the cost involved. mk5 fiesta - £100-150 1.7 ford puma £150-200. use engine/box/ecu/engine loom and the neccessary parts ( very easy conversion, take fiesta engine out, puma bolts straight in , zsoc has lots of info ) sell puma spares, maybe £100+ back there. use the rest of the money for repairs, polybushes, coilovers and engine upgrades if theres any left. lol be a very lively car to drive I'm probably missing the point here but if this is just theoretical, why not just just spend all the money on the Puma and save yourself the time and effort of swapping the engine etc into a Fiesta? of course, but the fiesta is a lighter car to begin with, and doesnt look as girly. the 1.7 in a fiesta will outdo a puma 1.7 all day. my fiesta has the 1.7 with no interior bar a seat and welded in strut brace, 421 manifold with a milltek cat back, frp airbox, 220mm focus clutch , it goes well for what it is... impressed me with what expensive cars get curse word off when a tatty old fiesta smokes them. lol
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Jan 23, 2018 17:11:23 GMT
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I'm probably missing the point here but if this is just theoretical, why not just just spend all the money on the Puma and save yourself the time and effort of swapping the engine etc into a Fiesta? of course, but the fiesta is a lighter car to begin with, and doesnt look as girly. the 1.7 in a fiesta will outdo a puma 1.7 all day. my fiesta has the 1.7 with no interior bar a seat and welded in strut brace, 421 manifold with a milltek cat back, frp airbox, 220mm focus clutch , it goes well for what it is... impressed me with what expensive cars get curse word off when a tatty old fiesta smokes them. lol They are still pretty slow though and the drivers of a 1.7 engined fiesta giving it their all have a look of pure fear on their face looking in the rear view when they can't shake grandads car that's pushing them along and then passes them with an onlooking convoy of cars drivers peeing themselves laughing
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ChasR
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Jan 23, 2018 17:48:05 GMT
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The closest thing to LeMons is the Javelin race series. However, the car has to be roadworthy and if you are caught dripping oil on a trackday, you are off until it is sorted, which is fair really.
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chubz
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Jan 23, 2018 19:45:29 GMT
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of course, but the fiesta is a lighter car to begin with, and doesnt look as girly. the 1.7 in a fiesta will outdo a puma 1.7 all day. my fiesta has the 1.7 with no interior bar a seat and welded in strut brace, 421 manifold with a milltek cat back, frp airbox, 220mm focus clutch , it goes well for what it is... impressed me with what expensive cars get curse word off when a tatty old fiesta smokes them. lol They are still pretty slow though and the drivers of a 1.7 engined fiesta giving it their all have a look of pure fear on their face looking in the rear view when they can't shake grandads car that's pushing them along and then passes them with an onlooking convoy of cars drivers peeing themselves laughing oh don't get me wrong their not the fastest of all cars, but they're good fun, fairly nippy, surprise a lot of other cars, and can easily get ya to 130mph + with the right parts ( and private roads obviously..... ) iv stuck to a brand new range rover evoque on the way back from sheffield once. he didnt look too happy good feeling when cars worth £30,000 or more cant out accelerate a £500 fiesta. they make decent little track cars aswell. can pick a fiesta and puma up for less than 500 quid and have a cheap fast road/track car put together within a couple of days
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ChasR
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For a track car 200BHP is enough. I remember when I started doing trackdays. Here is how I started off: -Pug 205 GTi 1.6 : It gripped well enough and was fun but IMHO it could have used a little more grip in the bends and had more power, although I recall Tepper saying it had around 90-100BHP when it was dyno'd. The grip situation was sorted eventually from binning the Toyo CF-1s for R888s but by that point I sold it on. -Escort RS Turbo S1 : This is a strange one. With the NS-2Rs it had all of the grip and with 250BHP it should have been fine. BUT, the turbo lag and the LSB not being quite all that anymore (but working) meant it couldn't be as effective as the car that would become the track car. You couldn't quite get on the power soon enough and even the viscous LSD helped tighten the line on that car . -Clio 172 : That was a superb car out of the box for track work. I still remember the first trackday in that. It was at Cadwell I had a Sierra Sapphire Cosworth and a W210 Merc E55 behind me. Figuring both had 100BHP more than me I let them past. What a mistake that was. Sure, they pulled away on the straights but it was pointless. In the corners I caught them up. For a few laps behind them I was practically smoking a Cuban cigar in the corners they were that slow ; they just flopped about in the corner and couldn't get any speed out of them! It taught me that a) Pulling for a few laps on a trackday can be a good idea. b) Not to always let people past straightaway on assumptions ; BHP is one small part of how quick a car can be on track. Brakes, tyres, suspension etc. will all count for a fair bit more. On a few trackdays with a stock 172 I was actually relatively quick strangely! A few MX-5s driven by Javelin instructors and the odd 205 in full track prep would hassle me, along with other very dedicated home built track cars. The M3 is quick for its weight, but I just can't trust it in the wet ; I've had it slide a couple of times but it's been progressive. That said, the last trackday in that was the 'Ring and it was soaking. I suspect the value of the car didn't help there TBH or the impending bill of binning a car there.
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For straight up speed, you will not go faster than an 850/V-C-S70 T5 with manual boost controller on it. 250-260bhp and similar if not slightly more torque.
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stealthstylz
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Jan 28, 2018 20:23:51 GMT
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Might be worth asking the IOPD if they'll permit a Lemons type event.
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Jan 30, 2018 21:19:21 GMT
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I took part in the 2010 PPC £999 challenge. It was immense fun, as was the build. It changed my approach to car building.
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www.Auto-tat.co.uk'96 Range Rover P38 DSE (daily driver) '71 Reliant Scimitar SE5 GTE 3.0ltr Jag V6 Conversion '79 Reliant Scimitar SE6A 3.0ltr 24valve Omega Conversion '85 Escort Cabrio 2.0 Zetec - Sold '91 BMW 525i - Sold '82 Cortina 2.9i Ghia Cosworth - Sold '72 VW Campervan - Sold '65 LandRover 88" - Sold
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