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Feb 15, 2019 22:06:09 GMT
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Last Edit: Feb 15, 2019 22:06:40 GMT by Deleted
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sonus
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Current 1968 TVR VIXEN S1 V8 Prototype 2004 TVR T350C 2017 BMW 340i
Previous BMW 325d E91LCI - sold Alfa Romeo GTV - sold Citroen AX GT - at the breakers Ford Puma 1.7 - sold Volvo V50 2.0d - sold MGB GT - wrecked by fire MG ZT 1.8T - sold VW E-golf Electric - sold Mini Countryman 1.6D -sold Land Rover Discovery TD5 - sold
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That should do it and is probably more readily available given your location and should save on any import duties - I note that it's only matt and not satin has per your preference though - probably not 650c but certainly VHT - apply standard paint and it will soon be growing legs and making a bid for freedom
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melle
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Feb 17, 2019 19:53:25 GMT
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I used Hammerite radiator paint for the engine in my Saab 96; good stuff but I doubt they sell it in satin black though.
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www.saabv4.com'70 Saab 96 V4 "The Devil's Own V4" '77 Saab 95 V4 van conversion project '88 Saab 900i 8V
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keyring
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Feb 17, 2019 21:11:50 GMT
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Looking to give painting a go with my corrado project, I know it’s never going to be a show car finish, but it’s never going to be a show car... Looking for some advice on what compressor is recommended for home use (so single phase) that will be adequate to supply the gun, what gun is recommended, LVHP? From what I’ve read I was going to use lechler epoxy primer, can I spray this over the old paint once keyed? I’m thinking I want to use a colour similar to Audi bardo grey, I believe the best way would be to use high solid battle ship grey or something similar? Would that be a paint I can use with out an air fed mask? Also I think it’s a little while since you last recommended a filler so thought I’d see what you recommend at the current time? Sorry for all the questions in one post, and sorry for any answers I’ve maybe missed earlier in the thread... thanks
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Feb 17, 2019 22:56:47 GMT
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Looking to give painting a go with my corrado project, I know it’s never going to be a show car finish, but it’s never going to be a show car... Looking for some advice on what compressor is recommended for home use (so single phase) that will be adequate to supply the gun, what gun is recommended, LVHP? From what I’ve read I was going to use lechler epoxy primer, can I spray this over the old paint once keyed? I’m thinking I want to use a colour similar to Audi bardo grey, I believe the best way would be to use high solid battle ship grey or something similar? Would that be a paint I can use with out an air fed mask? Also I think it’s a little while since you last recommended a filler so thought I’d see what you recommend at the current time? Sorry for all the questions in one post, and sorry for any answers I’ve maybe missed earlier in the thread... thanks HVLP (High Volume Low Pressure) is what you need - gravity feed - look on the below site - don't purchase the cheap of the cheapo range it will only give you cheap & nasty results - budget between £50 - £100 and you should be fine - a multi purpose gun needs to come with about a 1.3 / 1.4 fluid tip & needle set up www.spraygunsdirect.co.uk/index.php/sprayguns-parts/gravity-sprayguns.htmlCompressor there are loads of them out there but I would highly recommend purchasing larger than smaller - something like a 150 litre tank with a decent compressor pump should be fine - have a search about online - post a handful that suit your budget on the thread and then I can advise from there Epoxy primers - this is a 2 pack product - unless you have the correct air fed mask forget using 2 pack systems - you need a single pack system that you can use with a standard respirator Paint wise again you need to be using a single pack paint product that is air curing - if you have to add a hardener to it then it's 2 pack and you should not be even thinking about using it without all of the correct protective equipment including a air feed mask (it's pretty standard for single pack systems to be thinned for spraying and this is quite different from a hardener) Filler wise I have been trailing U Pol Fantastic which yields good results for filler work (although I also use another 3 filler products) www.u-pol.com/uk/en-uk/product/upol/fillers/medium-depth-repair/fantastic-ultra-lightweight-body-filler-for-medium-depth-repairs#.XGnmBPZ2tPYUsed in combination with a filling glaze you will be fine - I would recommend this www.u-pol.com/us/en/product/dolphin/fillers-putties/putties-and-glazes-2/dolphin-glaze#.XGnmbPZ2tPYPost any other questions to the thread and I will get back to you - Chris
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Last Edit: Feb 17, 2019 22:58:24 GMT by Deleted
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keyring
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Looking to give painting a go with my corrado project, I know it’s never going to be a show car finish, but it’s never going to be a show car... Looking for some advice on what compressor is recommended for home use (so single phase) that will be adequate to supply the gun, what gun is recommended, LVHP? From what I’ve read I was going to use lechler epoxy primer, can I spray this over the old paint once keyed? I’m thinking I want to use a colour similar to Audi bardo grey, I believe the best way would be to use high solid battle ship grey or something similar? Would that be a paint I can use with out an air fed mask? Also I think it’s a little while since you last recommended a filler so thought I’d see what you recommend at the current time? Sorry for all the questions in one post, and sorry for any answers I’ve maybe missed earlier in the thread... thanks HVLP (High Volume Low Pressure) is what you need - gravity feed - look on the below site - don't purchase the cheap of the cheapo range it will only give you cheap & nasty results - budget between £50 - £100 and you should be fine - a multi purpose gun needs to come with about a 1.3 / 1.4 fluid tip & needle set up www.spraygunsdirect.co.uk/index.php/sprayguns-parts/gravity-sprayguns.htmlCompressor there are loads of them out there but I would highly recommend purchasing larger than smaller - something like a 150 litre tank with a decent compressor pump should be fine - have a search about online - post a handful that suit your budget on the thread and then I can advise from there Epoxy primers - this is a 2 pack product - unless you have the correct air fed mask forget using 2 pack systems - you need a single pack system that you can use with a standard respirator Paint wise again you need to be using a single pack paint product that is air curing - if you have to add a hardener to it then it's 2 pack and you should not be even thinking about using it without all of the correct protective equipment including a air feed mask (it's pretty standard for single pack systems to be thinned for spraying and this is quite different from a hardener) Filler wise I have been trailing U Pol Fantastic which yields good results for filler work (although I also use another 3 filler products) www.u-pol.com/uk/en-uk/product/upol/fillers/medium-depth-repair/fantastic-ultra-lightweight-body-filler-for-medium-depth-repairs#.XGnmBPZ2tPYUsed in combination with a filling glaze you will be fine - I would recommend this www.u-pol.com/us/en/product/dolphin/fillers-putties/putties-and-glazes-2/dolphin-glaze#.XGnmbPZ2tPYPost any other questions to the thread and I will get back to you - Chris Thanks Chris, once I'm on lunch ill have a look at guns and make up a list of a few compressors and see what you think would be best! Ahh, i'm glad i didn't decide just to order up then, is there a primer and paint you recommend that is single pack? I've got a few packs of the dolphin glaze from a project i didn't see through before, assuming its not wasted with age... I'll look into that upol fantastic Thanks for your help and i'll get a list of compressors made over lunch
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Feb 18, 2019 10:41:30 GMT
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Chris will shoot me for this but you can use 2 pack if you are careful without a full respirator. You DO need a VERY good extractor together with a 3M mask and this is ok for smaller jobs - not painting a whole car.
For the Lechlar epoxy, this can be rollered on with a 4" gloss sponge Wickes roller, as it is rollered on you do not get the atomisation in the air so it is safe to use if wearing the 3M mask and in a well ventilated space. It will need a litte more flatting off but otherwise it is ok, you can even brush paint it on in the awkward areas.
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glenanderson
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Feb 18, 2019 11:23:13 GMT
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One of the few things I clearly remember about my dad, when he was still fit and active, was how ill he made himself one time painting a trailer chassis in the garage. He was using a special paint used on electricity pylons, brush on, that had fallen out of the back of one of my uncle’s vans. I’m always really paranoid about it as a result.
The paint lasted really well though, to be fair. 😂
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Feb 18, 2019 13:02:36 GMT
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I know of someone who collapsed from spraying cellulose in a garage. Not found for several hours with very serious mental & renal problems as a result.
ALL paints can be dangerous to use, It's respecting what you use and taking adequate precautions against harm that count.
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Feb 18, 2019 14:31:14 GMT
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I've sprayed a fair bit of Lecher over the past year during the resto of my 911. I bodged together an airfed mask system which ran off a separate compressor and works great but takes a bit of time to set up. I also bought a 3m mask when I had a couple of tiny little bits to do and all I can say is its the only mask i've ever bought that works. They really are great and thats coming from someone who wears glasses so usually get steamed up by masks. Lechler is pretty smelly stuff and you couldn't smell a hint of it with the 3m on.
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Feb 18, 2019 16:12:47 GMT
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Feb 18, 2019 18:33:05 GMT
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Chris will shoot me for this but you can use 2 pack if you are careful without a full respirator. You DO need a VERY good extractor together with a 3M mask and this is ok for smaller jobs - not painting a whole car. For the Lechlar epoxy, this can be rollered on with a 4" gloss sponge Wickes roller, as it is rollered on you do not get the atomisation in the air so it is safe to use if wearing the 3M mask and in a well ventilated space. It will need a litte more flatting off but otherwise it is ok, you can even brush paint it on in the awkward areas. Mark - Yes you can but I never advise anyone to - reason being is other peoples interpretation of a good extractor - with some thinking that are fine with 6" air brick at one end of the garage and 1" gap under the bottom of the door at the other end - before you know it one of the risk takers starts adding to the thread that they have painted hundreds of motors without an extractor and just with the use of a normal non air fed mask and they haven't died yet etc, etc - no doubt that he will be along shortly So for the avoidance of any doubt - when spraying 2K / 2 pack paints - you need an extraction system that can exchange the total volume of air held within the unit / booth / workshop by at least two times per minute - a 400mm diameter fan run at full speed will exchange the total volume of air within a average sized double garage at the rate of approximately 3 times per minute providing you have a suitable air intake point
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Last Edit: Feb 18, 2019 18:34:03 GMT by Deleted
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keyring
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Feb 18, 2019 19:15:56 GMT
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That second one looks a cracker, and oil free is, I assume what I want for painting? Like you say if I got it on a VAT day then it’d be perfect! I assume it keeps up with paint gun no problem?
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Feb 18, 2019 20:00:14 GMT
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Chris will shoot me for this but you can use 2 pack if you are careful without a full respirator. You DO need a VERY good extractor together with a 3M mask and this is ok for smaller jobs - not painting a whole car. For the Lechlar epoxy, this can be rollered on with a 4" gloss sponge Wickes roller, as it is rollered on you do not get the atomisation in the air so it is safe to use if wearing the 3M mask and in a well ventilated space. It will need a litte more flatting off but otherwise it is ok, you can even brush paint it on in the awkward areas. Mark - Yes you can but I never advise anyone to - reason being is other peoples interpretation of a good extractor - with some thinking that are fine with 6" air brick at one end of the garage and 1" gap under the bottom of the door at the other end - before you know it one of the risk takers starts adding to the thread that they have painted hundreds of motors without an extractor and just with the use of a normal non air fed mask and they haven't died yet etc, etc - no doubt that he will be along shortly So for the avoidance of any doubt - when spraying 2K / 2 pack paints - you need an extraction system that can exchange the total volume of air held within the unit / booth / workshop by at least two times per minute - a 400mm diameter fan run at full speed will exchange the total volume of air within a average sized double garage at the rate of approximately 3 times per minute providing you have a suitable air intake point Yes, cannot fault you for your logic & advice Chris as it is the safest advice.
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Feb 18, 2019 20:07:10 GMT
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That second one looks a cracker, and oil free is, I assume what I want for painting? Like you say if I got it on a VAT day then it’d be perfect! I assume it keeps up with paint gun no problem? Even a smallish compressor will keep up with a spraygun, but it will be running an awful lot. Big tanks mean longer between the compressor motor running and are far better for power tools - once you have a compressor you will find untold uses for it. I have a little 'spare' compressor with a 50 litre tank that is portable but it will not even pump a tyre up without the motor having to re-pressurise the tank. My big one would probably pump 10 tyres up without needing to refill. You will also need a water separator (about £30) You will only buy a compressor once, so it's worth pushing the budget to get the best you possibly can, you will rue the day you 'saved' £50 for a lesser one. Important note - mount the compressor on some rubber feet, it will run quieter but it also prolongs it's life as it absorbs the vibration and prevents cracking of pipes etc.
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Feb 18, 2019 20:21:10 GMT
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That second one looks a cracker, and oil free is, I assume what I want for painting? Like you say if I got it on a VAT day then it’d be perfect! I assume it keeps up with paint gun no problem? Even a smallish compressor will keep up with a spraygun, but it will be running an awful lot. Big tanks mean longer between the compressor motor running and are far better for power tools - once you have a compressor you will find untold uses for it. I have a little 'spare' compressor with a 50 litre tank that is portable but it will not even pump a tyre up without the motor having to re-pressurise the tank. My big one would probably pump 10 tyres up without needing to refill. You will also need a water separator (about £30) You will only buy a compressor once, so it's worth pushing the budget to get the best you possibly can, you will rue the day you 'saved' £50 for a lesser one. Important note - mount the compressor on some rubber feet, it will run quieter but it also prolongs it's life as it absorbs the vibration and prevents cracking of pipes etc. Very sound advice here that I can only echo
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glenanderson
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Feb 18, 2019 23:34:11 GMT
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I’ve a question Chris, if I may?
In about 1995 I painted my Land-Rover with a dark bronze green cellulose. Since then, most of the body panels have been replaced piecemeal and painted ad-hoc with a single pack synthetic as and when they were fitted, leaving only the door bottoms in that original cellulose. The motor gets absolutely no cosmetic attention attention whatsoever; not washed, not polished, nothing. The cellulose is still holding up green and glossy, but the synthetic has deteriorated really badly, going flat fairly quickly, and some of the older stuff split, and powdery practically to the point of leaving the panels bare. I got the synthetic paint from different sources and it seems like some of it has held up better than others. Is there something I have done wrong do you think, a process I’ve missed out, or are there brands/types that should be avoided?
It’s a working vehicle and I’m not interested in attaining a show/concourse finish, but I’m going to have to finally replace those door bottoms soon, which will need paint, and that will probably spiral into a general blow-over/tidy and I don’t want to put that time, effort and money into paint that’s not going to last. I’m not comfortable at the idea of using 2k, and the job is likely to be done either outside or under a gazebo...
When you’ve stopped laughing, your thoughts/comments would be welcome. 😂
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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keyring
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Feb 18, 2019 23:53:29 GMT
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Even a smallish compressor will keep up with a spraygun, but it will be running an awful lot. Big tanks mean longer between the compressor motor running and are far better for power tools - once you have a compressor you will find untold uses for it. I have a little 'spare' compressor with a 50 litre tank that is portable but it will not even pump a tyre up without the motor having to re-pressurise the tank. My big one would probably pump 10 tyres up without needing to refill. You will also need a water separator (about £30) You will only buy a compressor once, so it's worth pushing the budget to get the best you possibly can, you will rue the day you 'saved' £50 for a lesser one. Important note - mount the compressor on some rubber feet, it will run quieter but it also prolongs it's life as it absorbs the vibration and prevents cracking of pipes etc. Very sound advice here that I can only echo Perfect, thank you both very much for the help! Is there a water trap you would go for over any others? Again I don’t mind spending a bit more if it is going to pay for itself in the long run.. And regarding single pack paint, is there a brand you recommend? And should I be using a primer that will prevent any reaction to the previous paint on the vehicle? I also plan to paint the engine bay, which I’m kind of dreading in terms of prep work with all the awkward access and smaller panel sizes, do you have any tips?
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