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Sept 21, 2019 14:46:31 GMT
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...its a very grey area that still seems to rely on individual interpretation of the rules. At the time i looked into a licence extension but like driving lessons, because of the ruling, companies were making a killing charging for lessions, then you had to send off for a new licence which also cost.. The flow chart a few posts up explains it neatly - simple to understand and relate to your own circumstances.
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Sept 21, 2019 15:27:07 GMT
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Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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Sept 21, 2019 18:19:16 GMT
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It seem silly to me, but with a standard car licence they only take the maximum plated weight (MAM) of the trailer, if you take the test then it goes on actual load on the day, seems to be to just make it easy for roadside checks rather than having to escort people to a weighbridge .
You shouldn't exceed the permitted towing weight declared by the tow vehicle manufacturer.
you can have a trailer re-plated by the manufacturer to a lower weight limit to keep you legit.
Nothing to stop you teaching yourself, within the law, to take the car and trailer test, just need a closed sides trailer under the max permitted weight for car and a minimum of 1000kg maximum authorised mass (MAM) but be able to take a minimum load of 600kg or so for the test, trailer and ballast should be a minimum of 800kg. Get familiar, learn the reversing test and then take yourself to a test station, if you fail drive home still legal for that outfit.
I'm looking into this myself, in theory you could even use a 6'x4' trailer with cage sides obscured with cover. A friend failed the test twice and gave up, on both occasions for crossing the center line when turning left out of a junction, to avoid kurbing the trailer.bbut on reflection using a twin wheel 15' trailer that was 6'+ wide wasn't making it easy.
If the trailer has no plate, then the rating of the tyres can be used to work out the potential load capacity, so might be better to have a plate made up for older trailers to keep things above board.
Cheers Brian
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edk83
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Sept 24, 2019 14:09:07 GMT
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Can you just have a plate made up for older trailers ? Don't think you're supposed to, unplated trailer = iva? I've just about finished (re)building an old (defiantly pre 1997 ) caravan based trailer as my Allegro transporter, Tyres are 94 rated = 670kg x2 = 1340kg. Tow car max braked towing is 1500kg. Car plated Mam is 2105kg, plus the 1340kg trailer tyre rating is 3445kg full train Mam (licence issued Jan 2001) The tyres that were on the trailer before were 97 rated so I've downgraded them! (seems stupid but now done) But.. the axle of the trailer is rated to 1300kg and the hitch to 1360kg max, car tow ball is rated to 75kg nose weight My Allegro is under 900kg fully fueled, that was with tools in the boot as well. Trailer was 280kg with ramps before the rebuild however I'm adding a some structure and things like spare wheel, winch and pole stands. I'll take it to the weigh bridge when I'm done, trailer needs to be under 400kg for the axle, 460kg if to take into consideration some is on the nose weight but I'd rather keep it all within the axle rating. Hoping for more like 350kg as it's always good to have some in reserve, I could make a few bits lighter - I wouldn't mind a wheel rack on it as well though so there is that, plus the weight of the wheels. Get a figure for the trailer with ramps as it is now then work out if any more can be added, my ramps are steel and probably 35kg each so I bit to play with if I went for some ally ones etc.
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Last Edit: Sept 24, 2019 14:23:00 GMT by edk83
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Sept 26, 2019 9:54:42 GMT
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Yes you can, it was the done thing back in the day to add a weight plate to trailers that didn't have one. You don't need any sort of chassis number on it just unladen and Max weights.
Otherwise if you get stopped or have an accident loading will go on whatever is greater and marked where it can be seen - either hitch or tyres.
Down rating your tyres unless they were in need of replacement anyway is just plain stupid IMO, when all you needed was a set of stamps. Trailer tyres get neglected and suffer from flat spotting etc you need the toughest ones you can get on there.
You are getting confused between building a new trailer (IVA) and refurbishing an existing.
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Last Edit: Sept 26, 2019 9:55:06 GMT by dodgerover
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edk83
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Sept 26, 2019 10:09:31 GMT
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Rebuilding an existing Alko chassis, adding lots of support and strength to it.
Well the hitch is 1300/1360kg, tyres add up to 1340kg, axle 1300kg surely it would go on which ever has the lower rating not highest?
I had certainly read that unplated trailers go on the tyre rating. I just didn't want the tyre rating plus the car mam rating to add up to over 3500kg, so bought new tyres of the highest rating I could that adds up to just under.
I am tempted to put an Ebay weight plate on it, showing the actual unladen and a 1300kg mam Then I could run tyres of a higher rating if I have the plate on?
What was putting me off is all the weight plates I've seen have a space for chassis number, I wasn't really sure on leaving that blank making it obvious it's a made up plate. I certainly wouldn't want to put a random number on there and be at risk of falsifying an ID or something?
So maybe just run it with no plate, car is under 900kg so I'll weigh the trailer when it's done and make sure it's a good few kg under 400.
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Sept 26, 2019 13:31:55 GMT
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Why would you be falsifying anything, use the caravan chassis number, there is no criminal intent or intention to defraud, it's an existing trailer chassis so it's fine.
Just a piece of metal stamped by yourself will do as long as it is permanently fixed in situ. Gross laden and unladen are all you need, no need for a chassis number.
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edk83
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Sept 26, 2019 13:51:18 GMT
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Ok, may do. I don't think there is a chassis number on the Alko, I have a handbook somewhere, will check that. I have been looking for weight tags that I can stamp but they all seem to have a line for the vin, maybe use a mini engine type blank? Just don't want a blank space for vin number or date of manufacture
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Last Edit: Sept 26, 2019 14:00:31 GMT by edk83
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edk83
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Sept 26, 2019 14:01:26 GMT
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I don't want a blank manufacturer or sn field, and certainly not a year!
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Trailers, weights and lawsfr€$h&m1nt¥
@freshandminty
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Sept 26, 2019 14:10:09 GMT
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I don't want a blank manufacturer or sn field, and certainly not a year! sorry i thought you were getting letter and number punches to add the relevant details
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edk83
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Sept 26, 2019 14:29:17 GMT
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Yeah I'll get the number punches to add the weights.
I don't have any other relevant details though
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glenanderson
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Trailers, weights and lawsglenanderson
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Chassis no: EDK83T00001 Simple.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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