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Pretty horrific what's happened recently in the multi storey car park, so unfortunate and sad. Anything that can be done to ensure its the last should indeed be done. One of the fire chiefs was just on the radio talking about it.
He mentioned plastic fuel tanks and general building materials on modern cars, how quickly it spread downwards, had it been a car park full of metal tanked cars it could of spread upwards.
Small extinguishers were mentioned, historically only good at slowing down fires statistically speaking.
His first point of note was being grateful at the initial callers ringing straight away and not first taking a video, a trend he was seeing more - and if nothing else highlights social normality at times.
What's the future? Multi car parks sprinklered up or cars off the line with systems plumbed in? Metal tanks make a comeback?
Sorry if it's too soon I understand many people lost a lot, and could be a touchy subject
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I can't see it being a touchy subject tbh, no lives lost, animals or otherwise, which is amazing.
There was a report about the Grenfell fire saying that modern houses catch fire quicker than the ones in the 70's.
I can't believe that tbh, what with all the fire retardant requirements.
Plastic is cheap and lightweight. I can't see it going anywhere for a while.
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I was looking at pics of that and saw a melted discovery and jokingly thought 'there's the culprit' then I read the Liverpool echo and two people saw the car that started it... an 'old landrover type'...
Awful thing to have happened but no loss of life. Learn from it and work to further reduce the risk.
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I was looking at pics of that and saw a melted discovery and jokingly thought 'there's the culprit' then I read the Liverpool echo and two people saw the car that started it... an 'old landrover type'... Awful thing to have happened but no loss of life. Learn from it and work to further reduce the risk. I must admit, I thought that too. |
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I find it incredible that it got as bad as it did considering photos were taken that appear to show the car that started it all.
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A horse fair, there's gonna be a few Land rovers in there. The trouble is that people can be inclined to throw tonnes of conversions, stick on, wire up, bolt on and plug in goodies at these and some haven't the foggiest clue as to what they are doing. Plus the things leak fluid in and out like it's going out of fashion. I read about an owner that regularly 'under sealed' his in used motor oil once. That being said, the car certainly wouldn't have had a lift kit on it as most multi's I go in, I have to close the sunroof to achieve the clearance! Remember a story about an airport car park going up a few years back? I seem to recall it was started by a Rover that had sucked up a fag butt and a few hours of smouldering lead to carnage. Over the recent holiday period... and many miles, I've checked my car on two occasions because a rogue fag butt on the motorway has bounced up into the front end and disappeared. As to the modern v's old house thing, anyone who has lived in or owns an old house knows that they come with precisely 2 plug sockets (and vacuum leads are just not made 'long enough'). Modern houses have about a thousand and each one is occupied!  |
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I heard an interview yesterday with someone saying that they had stored bales of hay for use in the fair on car park level 1.
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I heard an interview yesterday with someone saying that they had stored bales of hay for use in the fair on car park level 1. Horses and feed were on the lower levels, think the fire started on 3, I was passing with the dog before it got savage, couple of blue lights and smoke, got home 10 minutes later and all you could hear were sirens flying round. Couldn't believe the final total |
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He mentioned plastic fuel tanks and general building materials on modern cars, how quickly it spread downwards, had it been a car park full of metal tanked cars it could of spread upwards. For cars with plastic fuel tanks, to gain European type approval the tank must be able to withstand a fire (of unleaded fuel) underneath the vehicle for several minutes without leaking. I too found it quite surprising that the whole car park ended up in flames. |
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I've seen it in the news over here and couldn´t believe it. Wasn´t there any kind of fire sprinkler system in that car park? Or was it out of order? No system at all, it was mentioned that if there was it would probably have been prevented. |
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Is it a good idea to have a sprinkler system spraying all over burning cars?
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And what about structural damage? Do they need to tear it down completely now? Yes.  |
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I can't see it being a touchy subject tbh, no lives lost, animals or otherwise, which is amazing. Unfortunately not quite true there was dogs left in numerous cars which didn't make it. A few dogs on the top level survived. |
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I read an article a good few years ago when a Fire Service Chief was voicing his concerns about unleaded petrol, i.e. in accidents how much more readily it combusted than the old leaded fuel.
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Last Edit: Jan 3, 2018 23:41:25 GMT by MkX
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I read an article a good few years ago when a Fire Service Chief was voicing his concerns about unleaded petrol, i.e. in accidents how much more readily it combusted than the old leaded fuel. Hi, Yes and allied to the use of plastic fuel tanks which will release it sooner, at least a metal tank will contain it for longer. Colin |
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Metal tanks split in a crash more readily than plastic though, and crashes are more likely than fires like this, and a crash with uncontained fuel is more likely to increase risk to life than a tank melting in a vehicle fire.
I read that stretched fire department budgets led to the blaze getting as bad as it did, but who knows? I'm sure someone in the media will blame the Russians at some point too...
As for fire extinguishers, the one time I had cause to use one it stopped a serious under-bonnet fire from becoming a total inferno, so I always carry one just in case. I doubt one would have helped in the carpark fire unless it was tackled immediately but I imagine the car was parked up and started burning with nobody around.
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a classic mustang was lost in the fire.
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Metal tanks split in a crash more readily than plastic though, and crashes are more likely than fires like this, and a crash with uncontained fuel is more likely to increase risk to life than a tank melting in a vehicle fire. I read that stretched fire department budgets led to the blaze getting as bad as it did, but who knows? An interesting point regarding the tank type as in a collision, valid reason to vote for them I guess. With regards to the at atttandence had it not been for cuts they would of had 8 vehicles at the scene quickly, unfortunately they could only muster 2 and had to wait for bordering counties to join.  |
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With regards to the at atttandence had it not been for cuts they would of had 8 vehicles at the scene quickly, unfortunately they could only muster 2 and had to wait for bordering counties to join. Hi, That's a bit disingenuous. The Fire brigades priority is to save life not necessarily property. I imagine the emergency call was for a car fire in a multi-story car park, a public building, well ventilated with sufficient fire escape routes and likely not a lot of people present. so their protocols would probably be to send two appliances to assess, which can call for more if needed. If it had been the venue itself that would be a different matter. I'm not saying finances didn't come into it, but hindsight is 20/20. Colin |
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Hi, That's a bit disingenuous. The Fire brigades priority is to save life not necessarily property. I imagine the emergency call was for a car fire in a multi-story car park, a public building, well ventilated with sufficient fire escape routes and likely not a lot of people present. so their protocols would probably be to send two appliances to assess, which can call for more if needed. If it had been the venue itself that would be a different matter. I'm not saying finances didn't come into it, but hindsight is 20/20. Colin Hello Colin disingenuous or not I am purely quoting what the fireman who attended said on the radio. The 2 trucks they had were not sufficient to contain it. |
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