PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE read this & ACT on it!

[tofufi]

Feb 16, 2018 8:28:18 GMT kapri said:

BIVA is NOT an glorified MOT it is a Compliance test ( same as TUV) where the standards required are HIGHER than MOT spec. Yes, it may well pass MOT but NOT BIVA without which you do not pass go Spoken as someone who has actuallyused teh BIVA test and helped many others to pass.

For the proposed emissions changes, BIVA IS exactly the same as the (basic) emissions test for the MOT for cars built after 1992.

The proposed requirements for this subject are not higher than the MOT spec.

[Darkspeed]

Having put a car through B(IVA) to meet 2014 emissions New 14 Plate vehicle - I can state from experience that the emissions test was probably the least onerous part of the test.

What is being proposed is not the end of the world and is not really asking that much in the overall scheme of things - The way it has been done is pretty poor and for that reason alone I have made an objection but asking all future new registrations to meet the current MOT spec is not so unreasonable, but a reasonable warning of implementation is required.

(B)IVA itself is far more of an issue than emissions - there is no consultation required to make changes in that - maybe next year ABS will be mandatory or collision warning system or ...

[blackpopracing]

I have to agree, had I know the levels proposed (assuming they become law) at the beginning of my build I would have gone fuel injection from the start.
They need a reasonable 'feed in' for these proposals (5 years?) with an amnesty for current builds.

[carledo]

I reckon they will have to gather info first, for example, My Toledo's (free) Tax is due April 1st and the MOT on April 18th, so it'll be almost a year in before I need to declare anything (cept I will MOT voluntarily anyway, in the hope of staving it off indefinitely) It will take them a year to get most of the list together. What they do with it after that is open to question, as anybody with a seriously suspect car and an ounce of brain is gonna do the same as me! But if I was running it, i'd be sending out the first letters to owners of cars with engines over 3 litres to "clarify their standing" and possibly call them in for a look! Though, on second thought, I suppose that SOME declared modifieds WILL start to appear on their list almost immediately, just dependent on those vehicles VED/MOT expiry dates, so we may see results fairly quickly. I suppose it really depends on just how eager DVLA are to close the door and how fast they can make their buerocratic wheels turn! With any luck, they may get such a poor turnout of suspect cars and poorer pool of defaulters, that they give up the whole idea as a bad job, the way they did on the business of having to have provenance on engines swapped into cars (something I fell foul of when putting my Toledo on the road, soon after the legislation was introduced)

Steve

[carledo]

Feb 16, 2018 17:11:39 GMT Darkspeed said:

Having put a car through B(IVA) to meet 2014 emissions New 14 Plate vehicle - I can state from experience that the emissions test was probably the least onerous part of the test.

What is being proposed is not the end of the world and is not really asking that much in the overall scheme of things - The way it has been done is pretty poor and for that reason alone I have made an objection but asking all future new registrations to meet the current MOT spec is not so unreasonable, but a reasonable warning of implementation is required.

(B)IVA itself is far more of an issue than emissions - there is no consultation required to make changes in that - maybe next year ABS will be mandatory or collision warning system or ...

The REAL problem here, is the arbitrary lumping of modifieds in with kit cars, when they are really 2 completely different things. It's relatively easy to make a kit car compliant for BIVA, there are parts available from any number of specialist suppliers to achieve it and an effective "blank canvas" of a car to work with. A modified car starts out with a complete, but usually seriously outdated car which, for many reasons, owners will want to keep the "original"or "period" look and feel of! So making it compliant with 2018 regs is MUCH harder and more expensive and will no doubt mean junking parts that there is nothing wrong with, just to fit some rule or other, which was never meant to apply to a modified car in the first place. What we NEED is an official distinction between the 2 types of car. But what we will probably GET is ZERO! Because the folk who make the rules are not INTERESTED in cars in the first, second and third places, let alone the vast can of worms that is the modding scene!

Steve

For what it's worth BP, i'm on your side about a lead in period and amnesty for current builds, but how long an amnesty? I know cars that have been in build for 20 years and my current one has been on the go for more than 6, with at least a year or 2 more to go till completion (and that's a relatively simple 9 point car)

[blackpopracing]

5 year amnesty once registered in their database as a current build? A car does not need to be finished to pass biva.

[Darkspeed]

Feb 17, 2018 22:18:00 GMT carledo said:

The REAL problem here, is the arbitrary lumping of modifieds in with kit cars, when they are really 2 completely different things. It's relatively easy to make a kit car compliant for BIVA, there are parts available from any number of specialist suppliers to achieve it and an effective "blank canvas" of a car to work with. A modified car starts out with a complete, but usually seriously outdated car which, for many reasons, owners will want to keep the "original"or "period" look and feel of! So making it compliant with 2018 regs is MUCH harder and more expensive and will no doubt mean junking parts that there is nothing wrong with, just to fit some rule or other, which was never meant to apply to a modified car in the first place. What we NEED is an official distinction between the 2 types of car. But what we will probably GET is ZERO! Because the folk who make the rules are not INTERESTED in cars in the first, second and third places, let alone the vast can of worms that is the modding scene!

Steve

By modified I am assuming you actually mean Radically Altered - because Modify within the 8 point system and there is no need to IVA

New kit, Reconstructed Classic, Radically Altered, or a body kit - the fundamentals are all the same. Nothing arbitary, all new registrations have to meet the same criteria its a simplification of the rules - cost reduction no doubt.
No build is that different from any other. Plenty of builders out there with aspirations above abilities, and that is where the real problem is because those that can, will, and those that think they can, won't, no matter how long you give them. Give them a reason they can use to bleat on about why they can't and you will never hear the end of it whilst those that can will just get on with it.

[blackpopracing]

Your driving pleasure is at risk.

[63v8]

Got a reply from my MP today


Thank you for your email regarding concerns you have over the Government's Road Vehicles: improving air quality and safety consultation.

I have raised this matter with Chris Grayling MP, Secretary of State for Transport, and I will let you know as soon as I receive a response to my enquiry.
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So if you have not done it yet email your MP and fill in the consultation.

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The more MP's who raise this with Chris Grayling from different parts of the UK the better.

What ever we drive be it Retro , Classic , Hotrod , Modified , we want to be able to drive them for as long as possible in the future.

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[blackpopracing]

WooHoo!!!

Excellent news!

The people responded and the govt listened. They have dropped any idea of making IVA cars pass modern emissions rules - the status quo remains with emissions based on year of engine.

Common sense has prevailed - well done to all those that responded to the consultation - your efforts have made a difference.

[blackpopracing]

Proof we actually won!!

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/714540/road-vehicles-consultation-response.pdf

Emissions approval - kit cars (Basic IVA) (Q16)
3.12
In response to the strong opposition to our proposal to tighten the rules for kit car emissions, the Department will not implement this aspect of the proposal.
3.13
We have taken this decision after reflecting on the evidence and noting that kit cars are a small proportion of the fleet, cover a low annual mileage and are rarely used in town centres where air quality issues exist.
3.14
Therefore kit cars submitted for IVA will continue to be subject to an MOT-style emissions test, using the current criteria in the IVA manual around engine build/first use date.

Power to the people!

Thankyou to all who bothered to respond - to those that did not, don't assume others will always fight for you.