Del
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Apr 19, 2018 21:11:35 GMT
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In the opinion of the MoT tester, the sills on my Citroen C15 camper are a) full of pog and b) what metal is there has been welded bloody awfully. He can't fail it, because they're under layers of underseal and he can't mark down what he can't definitively see.
So, if I want it fixed it needs the old sills cutting out, and new ones welded in and painting.
As a ballpark figure, how much should I be looking at? I'm thinking around £300, would I be close?
Some of his other comments are making me wonder if I've bought a money pit...
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Last Edit: Apr 25, 2018 18:57:27 GMT by Del
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Apr 19, 2018 21:21:56 GMT
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£500 would be closer to it, materials and labour.
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slater
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You really can't answer these questions other than saying 'many hundreds' or 'if you have to ask it's going to be too expensive'
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The only way to be certain is to have a proper poke around as if its been bodged its the issues you cant see that are going to up the cost.
I use a local Landrover man for welding as he gets loads of practice
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It will come in handy even if you never use it
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ChasR
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I was going to say, it's a hard one to cost up. I don't know the contruction of them or the availability of parts. The figure I have in my mind is about what Carat's is, possibly more anyway and more on top of that depending on where the rot has carried itself to. Ask dan, his XJS had a very similar thing happen to it but the bill for that was not you'd call small. |
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Last Edit: Apr 20, 2018 6:16:47 GMT by ChasR
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rollingcoal
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we can engineer a way around that, maybe
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From a professional standpoint £550 - £750 would be my ballpark that I would quote a client - subject to inspection of the vehicle
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Last Edit: Apr 20, 2018 8:10:56 GMT by Deleted
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Del
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Damn.
That's a *lot*.
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Get a screwdriver and give it a poke, or a welder to give a quote. Impossible to say. I got a C15 for £25 - gave it to my mechanic - I thought there was just a bit of rot on the sill but when he poked it it was rotten as a pear on the drivers side. All the way down, had to remove about 7/8" of metal on the sills through 3 layers. It was bad. He's a welder so fixed it up himself but just know - they rot like nobodies business (and that was a 51 plate iirc!) edit: here it is - you see the bit that's black - that's all new metal:  |
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Del
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edit: here it is - you see the bit that's black - that's all new metal: It sounds like that's what's needed. On both sides. Time to find a welder then, I guess... |
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Apr 20, 2018 10:00:29 GMT
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edit: here it is - you see the bit that's black - that's all new metal: It sounds like that's what's needed. On both sides. Time to find a welder then, I guess... I can ask my mechanic for a price if you like (you are fairly local-ish to me, I'm in Medway) - although I think his C15 put him off doing another one but he might be game. |
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Apr 20, 2018 10:29:21 GMT
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Yup - but it's a more realistic representation of what it'll end up costing.. Sometimes I feel we are all a bit hesitant to admit the real costs that we end up splashing out on our cars (either to the other half, mates or internet!!) |
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Apr 20, 2018 10:39:12 GMT
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Yes I appreciate it sounds a lot - however a professional has to find & fund the ongoing costs of a workshop and everything that comes with it including insurance etc, - There is probably 2-3 days work involved and either the professional has pay himself or his staff out of this cost once everything else is deducted - I have no doubt that they are some backstreet places that can do it for £350 / £400 cash but to what quality, what guarantee and have they even got insurance that would cover your vehicle if the worst thing happened.
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Del
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Apr 20, 2018 14:44:29 GMT
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Yes I appreciate it sounds a lot - however a professional has to find & fund the ongoing costs of a workshop and everything that comes with it including insurance etc Oh don't get me wrong, I appreciate that work done properly by professionals costs money. It's just that I haven't had to have work as major as this done before, so was simply guesstimating. |
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dan
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A couple of extreme examples for you  Hopefully it'll be localised and you can just patch it for a few hundred. My XJS had been bodged repeatedly which was only discovered once it was taken to a specialist. I was quoted £3k for screen and scuttle repairs which I already thought was fruity. It came in over 3 times that due to the can of worms that had been opened which included expanding foam in the AC system. It became a screen, interior and dash out job and away for a couple of months. If I knew what I'd been into at the start the car would have been scrapped. I thought my Morris was pretty solid but that also had £11k of restoration before the build started in earnest. Most of the bottom 6 inches was replaced with most of this is taken up with labour. The work clearly outweighed the value of the car but as the Minor is a forever car so I can live with that, I'll lose out with the Jag though. That said, I always knew rocking around in a 20 year old XJS was always going to be a bit of a gamble. |
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Last Edit: Apr 23, 2018 9:06:36 GMT by dan
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Del
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Apr 25, 2018 19:01:39 GMT
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So...if I can afford the welding, I probably won't have time to get it done before the MoT runs out. But if it's still taxed and insured, can it stay on the road (but not used) until they run out?
And once I do SORN it, I know it can legally be driven to a pre-booked MoT test, but what about for repairs before that test? I'm guessing that's a no-no and it'll have to be towed/trailered.
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Apr 25, 2018 19:13:08 GMT
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have to be trailered, can't tow it, if the wheels are on the ground it needs tax, MOT and insurance
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Apr 25, 2018 19:16:59 GMT
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Hi, To be kept on the road it needs to be taxed, MOTed and insured. You can drive it to an pre-booked MOT (as you say) it can also be driven to place of repair. Trailering it would be the safest option.
Colin
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Last Edit: Apr 25, 2018 19:19:11 GMT by colnerov
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MiataMark
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I had a quote for sorting out the rear sill of my MX5, £1,000 of that £640 was labour and of course 20% is VAT. Soon mounts up, I've bought a welder!
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Del
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Apr 28, 2018 13:29:13 GMT
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So, the opinion is a minimum of £200 per side, plus the value added, so that's pretty much a monkey.
But there's no way of knowing what's there (or isn't!) until they start cutting, and then it's obviously too late. Could be looking at up to a grand.
Time for some thinking...
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Hopefully it'll be localised and you can just patch it for a few hundred. 
