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Nov 22, 2018 23:31:41 GMT
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Say I build a car on a chassis and keep the reg based on the 8 point rule having submitted a V627/1 and had it accepted - but I only have 8 points inc the engine. www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/radically-altered-vehiclesIf I then want to swap out the engine at a later date would it then suddenly need an IVA despite having been driven around for a year? Any one point me at the legislation on this ?
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My guess is yeah it would need an IVA, at the point that you've fitted the new engine it no longer has 8 points.
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Darkspeed
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Nov 23, 2018 15:18:19 GMT
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You would need to give more detailed information - Because getting to 8 points without changing the shell/chassis is a task - are you really changing the other parts for radically different types?
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Last Edit: Nov 24, 2018 9:22:16 GMT by Darkspeed
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Nov 24, 2018 17:17:16 GMT
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Read my Nissan join force with Trojan,I think your good to change the Engine because its a rebody wouldnt you be starting off with the 14 points again.I may be wrong
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Nov 25, 2018 20:30:39 GMT
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You would need to give more detailed information - Because getting to 8 points without changing the shell/chassis is a task - are you really changing the other parts for radically different types? It really is a hypothetical question - not "asking for a friend" - But yes if I go this route some serious modifications.
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Nov 25, 2018 20:52:15 GMT
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Reckon that the only way you get back to full points is IVA, once your down to 8 points on your original registration 1 more mod tips you into IVA
Think of it this way,if you could do it that way then everyone would simply declare one mod at a time and unless you modified the chassis or bodyshell you would always retain your original registration.
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retired with too many projects!
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Darkspeed
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Nov 25, 2018 22:10:01 GMT
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As the process is a complete registration process the car will in effect be a new / different car to that on the original documents and will start with 14 points as it is now registered and recorded with those alterations - If you changed the engine to a different type you should by the regs register the car again!
If you take away 1 point then by the rules you have "Radically Altered" the vehicle.
Radically altered vehicles are vehicles that have been altered from their original specification, but are not kit conversions.
So 8 9 10 11 12 13 points is all the same process that allows you to keep the original registration mark providing no changes to the chassis. However once it's in that process it could be decided that it needs an inspection to check that it does not require an IVA.
And yes you could keep changing the car and going through the registration process - and as long as that chassis remains unmodified there may be no requirement for IVA. You can keep on changing within 8 points with no chassis mods every time and re-register the car - hopefully that it does not raise an alarm and trigger an inspection.
That's how I read and understand it but never having gone through that process how it actually works in practice may be different.
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Nov 25, 2018 22:42:27 GMT
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The chassis plate on the V8 avenger on here made so much sense I though.
Just by checking the plate you could pretty much confirm that all mods were legit, and that could be done at the side of a road.
I’m sure our system makes sense to someone, but it’s hard work! And there doesn’t seem to be any record of the modifications made. For example, our Fug seems to be the same as the ones in the brochures and magazine reports... it’s listed on v5 as ‘UVA fugitive 4’ But since there are probably less than 100 on the road, and they were last manufactured in ‘90 or ‘91, who would actually know?
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Dec 18, 2018 16:20:05 GMT
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Say I build a car on a chassis and keep the reg based on the 8 point rule having submitted a V627/1 and had it accepted - but I only have 8 points inc the engine. www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/radically-altered-vehiclesIf I then want to swap out the engine at a later date would it then suddenly need an IVA despite having been driven around for a year? Any one point me at the legislation on this ? The original car has 14 points. A body swap on a NON modified chassis would retain those points and would also retain original reg and original 14 points. So, regardless of change in appearance , you can still whittle away at those 14 points. However , regardless of how long vehicle have been used with mods it will never get 14 points unless it is BIVAd ( into a new car ).
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Dec 18, 2018 16:21:32 GMT
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As the process is a complete registration process the car will in effect be a new / different car to that on the original documents and will start with 14 points as it is now registered and recorded with those alterations - If you changed the engine to a different type you should by the regs register the car again! If you take away 1 point then by the rules you have "Radically Altered" the vehicle. Radically altered vehicles are vehicles that have been altered from their original specification, but are not kit conversions.So 8 9 10 11 12 13 points is all the same process that allows you to keep the original registration mark providing no changes to the chassis. However once it's in that process it could be decided that it needs an inspection to check that it does not require an IVA. And yes you could keep changing the car and going through the registration process - and as long as that chassis remains unmodified there may be no requirement for IVA. You can keep on changing within 8 points with no chassis mods every time and re-register the car - hopefully that it does not raise an alarm and trigger an inspection. That's how I read and understand it but never having gone through that process how it actually works in practice may be different. Regretably incorrect as posted above. If that was allowed no vehicle would ever dop below 8 points and BIVA test would be 'pointless'
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Last Edit: Dec 18, 2018 16:22:53 GMT by kapri
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Darkspeed
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Dec 18, 2018 21:11:37 GMT
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Yep complete load of plums - Changed it too many times did not read it through and lost my way a bit with it as I got distracted with the "Radically Altered" process. You can make as many points changes as you like providing you don't go below a "fixed core" 8 points (5+3) - So the answer is if you had previosuly declared a radically altered registration at 5+2+1 then declaring that engine change should trigger a BIVA requirement.
However, I suspect that what the original Q should have been around is the "Kit converted" process whereby the actual make and model of the vehicle is changed. And we come back to the stage where hypothetical Q's are utterly pointless because without specifics you may be looking at completely the wrong process to begin with and it's probably not worth the build compromises that will be required to try and avoid the BIVA process.
As stated though it left me wondering - as it does now - just how many "Radically Altered" declarations get made for changes to "original" specifications - do 8 9 10 11 12 13 point "Radically Altered" modifications actually ever get declared.
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Dec 19, 2018 17:27:12 GMT
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There's a list of what MUST be declared on the DVLA site (IF you know where to find it ) Currently it doesn't match what you MUST declare that's shown on the V5C Supposedly the v5C is being reworked to make it easier to keep track of a cars identity. Whether you will then have to declare swapping ANY (say) axle in or not bother with like for like would through up a huge amount of questions that I believe DVLA are ill equipped to deal with. According to previous statements DVLA believe that to retain identity you must keep the ORIGINAL parts it left the factory fitted with. We all knowthat is total rubbish . A more sensible approach would be like for like ie that bolt into the same positions with no mods required . That would allow scope for upgraded parts without losing identity. I've no doubt that there will be a consultation on changes but just when that may be with the current political turmoil is anyones guess . As always we need to keep our eyes and ears open and ensure we don't get short changed .
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Last Edit: Dec 19, 2018 17:29:15 GMT by kapri
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Dec 19, 2018 19:28:37 GMT
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With kit cars there are exceptions regarding engine and drivetrain on some types. The way I read it you can install a modern engine and drive train without penalty if it is the same capacity and 'greener' than the original, say swapping a 1600 zetec for a 1600 crossflow as it keeps the manufacturer and capacity. This applies in the case of uneconomical failure, a cracked crossflow block is going to cost more to replace than an entire replacement zetec.. I think reducing the size of the engine also fits as long as it's accompanied by the relevant report from an MOT testing station or garage.
I may have read that part completely wrong but that was my take on it.
I don't think you would get away with dropping a bike engine or a small block V8 into a car that was pinto/crossflow powered though, once again it falls to the common sense of the person checking the paperwork.
If you want a definitive answer I could try emailing the person I deal with in Swansea.
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Last Edit: Dec 19, 2018 19:31:06 GMT by Rebuilda
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