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Sept 23, 2019 6:35:34 GMT
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Certainly: Direct to gloss colour 2 pack inc hardeners / thinners £250 Primers - etch & 2 pack inc hardeners / thinners £120 Abrasives £120 Sundries - To include sealers, fillers, clips, fasteners, anti corrosion protection, masking, preparation & cleaning solvents £110 Totals £600 but this is possibly on the lean side dependant upon the damage repairs required to the van - and this is for a direct to gloss gun finish - not a flatted / colour sanded & polished finish Your £4k estimate for your CF is a fair assumption - of course clients can always reduce their costs by stripping the vehicle of trims / brightwork etc and refitting it their selves once painted - no reason why they cant do their own anti corrosion protection either Thanks. Ive been in and around bodyshops since i was a kid, painted a few cars with varying degrees of success, but never really had to do the 'paying for paint' bit so wasnt sure. Not a problem - probably someone may be along shortly to argue that they can purchase the same materials for a lot less and I cant argue with them - I only use high quality branded materials & paints - i.e. Lechler paints / Mirka dust free abrasives etc - I expect good / excellent results from my materials and therefore I don't skimp on quality (and even then it can backfire on me you just have read the issues that I had with the Corsair paint) - I can save money however with my overhead costs has they are nothing like those of a full size conventional bodyshop or someone in a leased premises none the less there is absolutely no way that I would tackle a LWB sprinter van repaint for sub £3k
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Darkspeed
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Sept 23, 2019 7:17:24 GMT
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Hopefully the OP will be back eventually to give us the answer on what costs for
Sprinter Van
Remove and fit bonnet Remove and fit door Rectify rust and wear and tear Paint to "a very good quality" Non standard paint colour
To see how far off the ball we all were - for quotes in his region.
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Sept 23, 2019 8:34:35 GMT
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'Morning, thanks for all the input.
I've asked two painters so far, and will call in at a third this week. I am only approaching those I know of who have large ovens so that does limit the choice in the immediate area, but really it doesn't matter where it is (within reason / someone suggested Llanelli on the previous page - that is a bit of a stretch from Leicester...). Someone also suggested basing an assessment on the value of the vehicle pre / post paint - I appreciate that these variables might apply in some situations, but they don't here.
To recap:
Replace bonnet and side door (both supplied by me) Rectify rust scabs, a few tiny door dents not in awkward places Good quality finish in original (existing) colour.
I would add: the van is in general good order. It's a presentable business vehicle that I would like to continue using for several years more but possibly with a cosmetic overhaul. Most businesses don't use ten year old Sprinters, so that gives an indication as to the overall good condition.
First quote then is from a business whose main activity is selling vans. It's a Polish crew with around a hundred vehicles on their retail pitch. They don't normally entertain third party paint enquiries as they are busy enough with their own affairs but they are willing to do this job, seemingly on account of the name of the person who pointed me in their direction. Their view was that the van is in remarkable shape for its age (it is). They talked me through their process and timings in order to substantiate pricing, and would do "2K with lacquer" for £4,200 ex.VAT with a turn round of less than two weeks. All verbal, nothing in writing at this stage. I liked the lads in the workshop, but the boss has a very high opinion of himself / needs to calm down a bit. The place looks organised, very clean for a paint shop and the enormous booth was apparently £80,000 (believable - it's huge).
Second quote is from a painter whose shop is full of Caynennes and Macans, likely due to it's proximity to Leicester Porsche Centre. The quote is incredibly detailed, I would guess from a professional quoting system and it details the job stage by stage, even down to part by part in terms of labour and materials. The rate is £9,450 ex.VAT, with +/-£5,000 of that stated to be materials. The turn round time is straight from the Painters' Book Of Vague Commitments "it depends, it could be four weeks it could six or seven, it just depends" etc. The actual labour rate seems reasonable at £45/hr, but the main issue for me at this stage is I can't see how you get to five grand in materials. If I wanted - I don't but they quoted anyway - they could colour code the plastics for an additional £2,550 ex.VAT.
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Sept 23, 2019 9:19:31 GMT
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9.5k! Is that flaked, candied, paneled and laced?
Do they want to bare metal it or something?
£5k materials, can you post the quote or is that inappropriate?
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Sept 23, 2019 10:24:04 GMT
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I'd prefer not to directly post the quote, but this is the gist (it's been done on Audatex):
Labour: panel £948.80 Labour: mechanical £675 Labour: paintwork £2,515.50 Paint and materials £5,295.29
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Sept 23, 2019 10:42:26 GMT
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I'd prefer not to directly post the quote, but this is the gist (it's been done on Audatex): Labour: panel £948.80 Labour: mechanical £675 Labour: paintwork £2,515.50 Paint and materials £5,295.29 All seems reasonable until the end 😂. Can anyone on here (GN😉) shed any light on that? Id maybe ask how he came to that figure but its either correct, or a mistake, either way id go somewhere else. The first quote looks reasonably promising.
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Sept 23, 2019 10:57:47 GMT
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Been really useful to read this thread, been thinking about options for my L3H2 Fiat Ducato and had circa £2-2.5k in my head, which was way short...looks like synthetic and the roller is the way ahead!
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2014 - Audi A6 Avant 3.0Tdi Quattro 1958 - Chevrolet Apache Panel Truck 1959 - Plymouth Custom Suburban 1952 - Chevrolet 2dr Hardtop 1985 - Ford Econoline E350 Quadravan 2009 - Ovlov V70 2.5T 1970 - Cortina Mk2 Estate 2007 - Fiat Ducato LWB 120Multijet 2014 - Honda Civic 2.2 CTDi ES
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Sept 23, 2019 11:01:41 GMT
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Not sure how you could come to that figure for materials no matter how you look at it.
I would quote £3500+VAT to repaint a LWB Sprinter in a standard colour. Add up to £1000 to that for the largest variant (XLWB XHT). That assumes no repair work, as without seeing it no one can guess what repair work it needs. I would roughly estimate, based on what has been said, in the region of £500-£1000 for repairs.
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Specialist Bodyshop & Fabrication Classic, Retro, Prestige & Custom Small Repairs to Concours Restorations Mechanical Work Vintage to Modern
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Sept 23, 2019 13:57:33 GMT
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Update: have had a third conversation about this now, this time with an old boy who normally only does horse boxes and trucks. You could park two tractor units in his booth and he's given his rate as "no more than £2,500" ex VAT, done in 2K and lacquer. He says he rarely needs to buff afterwards as his gun finish is good enough not to require it, reducing job time & cost as a result (the finish on the three painted vehicles in the workshop would appear to back that up). He seems a straightforward guy possibly with modest overheads. He guarantees two weeks turn round, will put quote in writing. He's booked up for five months. Lots of good signs.
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Sept 23, 2019 16:19:28 GMT
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Update: have had a third conversation about this now, this time with an old boy who normally only does horse boxes and trucks. You could park two tractor units in his booth and he's given his rate as "no more than £2,500" ex VAT, done in 2K and lacquer. He says he rarely needs to buff afterwards as his gun finish is good enough not to require it, reducing job time & cost as a result (the finish on the three painted vehicles in the workshop would appear to back that up). He seems a straightforward guy possibly with modest overheads. He guarantees two weeks turn round, will put quote in writing. He's booked up for five months. Lots of good signs. This pricing would appear cheap and if he is putting out good quality work then there is a reason why he is fully booked for 5 months - I would be getting a firm date in his diary if I was you - so that's £3k including the vat which would have been my starting point with the exception that I only do classic cars / cant fit your van in my workshop / I don't charge vat & currently have a heavily committed workshop diary - The difference with myself that whilst I am happy to undertake clients work it comes on my terms so my pricing would be to include the painting to the underside / inside of the new panels plus all the door shuts & apertures - the materials quote from the chap whom undertakes the Porsche work is pure bonkers
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Sept 23, 2019 20:53:51 GMT
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(within reason / someone suggested Llanelli on the previous page - that is a bit of a stretch from Leicester...). I'd suggested that you get a quote from Weston Paintworx Llangennech, (more for reference than anything else). Julian has the capability to spray HGV's & big plant but his primary interest is in classic cars. He did an 'everything off' full body 'down to gelcoat' restoration & respray on my Dad's Gilbern Genie earlier this year, this included recovering seats, (a very nice job), and a 4 wheel refurb with detailed photo-portfolio of work. It came in at £3½K which I thought was pretty good price. I think the car would have been good enough to win the Gilbern Owner's Club show class concours but we didn't get there before the cut off time. He can arrange collection / delivery so if the quote was keen enough it might have been worth you considering this option. This is some of the other stuff he was doing when I was last there; E-Type reborn by Chris, on Flickr Ford Escort Mark 2 rally car by Gareth williams, on Flickr Gilbern Invader Mark 3 by Gareth williams, on Flickr
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Last Edit: Sept 23, 2019 21:18:40 GMT by MkX
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Jan 20, 2020 18:10:57 GMT
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Update: have had a third conversation about this now, this time with an old boy who normally only does horse boxes and trucks. You could park two tractor units in his booth and he's given his rate as "no more than £2,500" ex VAT, done in 2K and lacquer. He says he rarely needs to buff afterwards as his gun finish is good enough not to require it, reducing job time & cost as a result (the finish on the three painted vehicles in the workshop would appear to back that up). He seems a straightforward guy possibly with modest overheads. He guarantees two weeks turn round, will put quote in writing. He's booked up for five months. Lots of good signs. Update to this for anyone interested: the van is in with the horse box painter. Actually, he’s had it ten days already, it’s been painted and he’s just rebuilding it this week. I called in for a look this morning - it looks to be good. Will reserve final judgement until I see it out of the booth and in the daylight, but it is looking very promising indeed. He’s followed all of the job notes discussed, plus others besides. Done in Lechler as he “won’t use anything else, it’s the best”.
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Jan 20, 2020 18:27:56 GMT
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Update: have had a third conversation about this now, this time with an old boy who normally only does horse boxes and trucks. You could park two tractor units in his booth and he's given his rate as "no more than £2,500" ex VAT, done in 2K and lacquer. He says he rarely needs to buff afterwards as his gun finish is good enough not to require it, reducing job time & cost as a result (the finish on the three painted vehicles in the workshop would appear to back that up). He seems a straightforward guy possibly with modest overheads. He guarantees two weeks turn round, will put quote in writing. He's booked up for five months. Lots of good signs. Update to this for anyone interested: the van is in with the horse box painter. Actually, he’s had it ten days already, it’s been painted and he’s just rebuilding it this week. I called in for a look this morning - it looks to be good. Will reserve final judgement until I see it out of the booth and in the daylight, but it is looking very promising indeed. He’s followed all of the job notes discussed, plus others besides. Done in Lechler as he “won’t use anything else, it’s the best”. Well he's certainly correct about the paint - I use the same brand and wont use anything else - post some pics when you get it back
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