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Morning All,
I've been trawling through ebay, fruit of the gumtree and even Facebook marketplace 😔.
Essentially I would like a small(ish) car that is good on fuel (40mpg+) with permanent 4wd.
Needs to be easy to work on, reliable and comfortable. Don't mind diesel or petrol, manual or auto.
Budget is around £1500.
So far I've considered the Terios, Shogun Pinin, Jimny, some sort of Volvo AWD, Ignis Allgrip, and panda 4x4.
Have I missed anything?
Throwing this out to the most knowledgeable group of car nerds I know.
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Phil H
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Permanent 4WD and 40mpg aren’t exactly bedfellows, especially when you add in the budget and comfort requirements..
Subaru Justy maybe?
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You might get away with a td4 Freelander - not as big as you think although larger than the ones you’ve already mentioned (Volvo excluded). 3door RAV4?
I’ve been doing the 4WD tow car dance of late and settled on a 2.2 DTI Frontera at the moment but I like having plenty of towing capacity.
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Last Edit: Oct 5, 2019 10:07:49 GMT by Phil H
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Panda is the only one that might get close on the MPG.
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The MPG is the least flexible requirement, its for a loooong commute so needs to be frugal.
Subaru Justy is a decent shout and another option to look at, thanks.
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Phil H
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If it’s for a long commute, I wouldn’t be looking at something small personally. Medium sized and diesel at a guess. If the 4WD is needed for weather reasons (rather than the need to actually go off-road), invest in a set of winter tyres instead.
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Jimny isnt permenant 4wd, or do you just want the ability to switch to 4wd? I loved my old jimny, was a great car. Not sure id want to do long commutes in it although it wasn't too bad on fuel really. I didnt do many 70mph long journeys though. I suspect it would be tiresome after the novelty wore off. Was alot of fun though and super easy to manouver/park due to being small and square. Id deffo have another for a run about.
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Why the 4x4 requirement out of interest?
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Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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I wouldn't have the shogun pinin just because of the gdi bit i've heard horror stories of 2 fuel pumps or something like that hard to fix if they go wrong. What about impreza or forester both 4x4 and comfy long distance.
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The 40mpg and permanent 4wd are Gunna be pretty much mutually exclusive. The permanent 4wd wastes power and fuel on the road like nothing else. Pretty much every permanent 4wd car type vehicle (as opposed to a proper 4x4) has woeful fuel economy. None of the vw 4motion range that or know of or any of the Subaru’s will do 40mpg.
The only things that are going to get close are the panda and maybe a justy, although I’m pretty sure the one I had didn’t do 40mpg, and it’s also kinda debatable how 4wd it really is, they’re about a 70/30 split- but I expect any small 4wd car isn’t going to be a ‘proper’ 4x4 system. Why the 4wd stipulation? You’d be better off with a 2wd on appropriate tyres if you’re in low traction situations. But tyres that will give you grip in those situations will hammer your fuel economy on longer on road trips. Conversely Thinking the 4wd will help you at all when you’re on conventional road tyres is also a misnomer.
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Last Edit: Oct 5, 2019 13:40:05 GMT by Dez
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Any vw 4motion tdi, with a 1.9tdi
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I have a TD4 Freelander as my token modern car. I do a mix of motorway, A/B road driving and rough tracks over about 60 miles each day and am just hovering around 38-40mpg
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Personally I think you are asking for an awful lot on a pittance of a budget - you may well get lucky and find what you want and I appreciate that there is the odd bargain to be had occasionally but I cant be the only one thinking that more often than not this budget is going to buy you a bagful of problems - maybe its me getting old (I'm already Grumpy) but my days of being stuck at the side of the road in horizontal rain with a unreliable banger are well over (that's not to say that the less than 5 years old - very well maintained - low mileage modern that we have at home could do likewise just that the odds maybe quite higher on it not doing so)
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Just to add, if awd is for bad weather only, then winter tyres are a better option. I've never got stuck in my mk5 tdi with winter tyres, bare in mind I live in one of the hilliest places in the uk.
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4wd is due to my new place of work being up a very steep road which concerns me when the weather turns.
I would also like something that I can use to get to my elderly in-laws in case of adverse weather (they're in the middle of bloody nowhere down a dirt track).
Budget could stretch to £2kish.
VW 4Motion is a good shout, will look into that.
Maybe I need to look at something a bit thirstier, as I've always wanted a Forester.
Thanks for the all advice.
P.S I would never have a freelander, or anything JLR for that matter.
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Given a choice between a car with 4WD on normal road tyres and a 2WD car with decent tyres (Michelin Crossclimate or similar), I’d go for the 2WD and decent tyres.
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I was going to say Octavia Scout, then I saw your price range. Ours are used hard and return MPG in the mid 30’s. Over 40 is easily achievable particularly in the newer 2.0 ones.
Must be honest, the 4wd is of limited use until you have decent tyres on, all ours run on cross climates and they are unstoppable in the snow.
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