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Nov 28, 2019 18:43:11 GMT
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Agreed, obviously want it to be cheaper but it is what it is, and hopefully as said after a year it’ll be a fair bit cheaper. I think the issue for most people is the disparity in insurance cost. My daughters quotes ranged from £4100 and we settled on £1350ish, with about 5 other quotes between.... maybe could have knocked a little bit more out, but gave up at that point.
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Nov 29, 2019 10:28:35 GMT
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This suggestion will more than likeky have no appeal to your daughter what so ever, but there again to receive your first car as a gift, beggars can't be choosers :-) A neighbour bought his daughter first car, and she was old that she would have what she was given; the vehicle chosen by her father was a Land Rover Series 3 station wagon, fitted with the standard Land Rover diesel engine. The logic behind this choice was very simple - being fitted with a diesel engine is wasn't going to go anywhere in a hurry; economical for a Land Rover of that era; spares readily available and ccould be fixed by a man in a straw hut with a modicum of tools; finally if she was involved in any accident there was every likelyhood that she would come out of it OK. Finally the insurance will be quite reasonable using the NFU, for example. Sounds about riught and don't forget that in some circles these vehicles are considered quite cool, as they say in teenager's language.
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jamesd1972
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Nov 29, 2019 10:55:46 GMT
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Series Land Rover - Great car to learn in - if you can drive one of these you can drive anything. Safe ? Perhaps in 1960. The car in front is your crumple zone that's about it. Not a single passive safety measure, including seat belts that compress your spine, rubbish brakes compared to moderns, no roll over protection at all etc. etc. that's before you get into side facing bench seats in the back. I'm very conscious driving ours that any kind of impact more than 5mph its going to hurt me and my passengers- pot holes can cause injury... With the kids in the car I don't go over 40 and am super careful. Rather like original Beetles and Mini's cool but not a great place to be in the modern world where even a corsa weighs 1.3 tonnes. James
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I mentioned Peugeot 106 before, I reckon THIS could make the ideal starter car:- One, (presumably elderly), lady owner from new. (Chapel Chariot?) Very low mileage. Probably always garaged. Full MOT with fairly clean MOT history. Frugal, (average 46mpg). Cheap insurance, (probably around group 7). Good parts availability. Easy to maintain. Having been cosseted and with such low mileage it should still be pretty reliable. Negatives:- Not Grand Prix material. Less safety equipment. Poverty spec. And just in time for Xmas!
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Last Edit: Dec 3, 2019 17:23:00 GMT by MkX
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I mentioned Peugeot 106 before, I reckon THIS could make the ideal starter car:- One, (presumably elderly), lady owner from new. (Chapel Chariot?) Very low mileage. Probably always garaged. Full MOT with fairly clean MOT history. Frugal, (average 46mpg). Cheap insurance, (probably around group 7). Good parts availability. Easy to maintain. Having been cosseted and with such low mileage it should still be pretty reliable. Negatives:- Not Grand Prix material. Less safety equipment. Poverty spec. And just in time for Xmas! Just ran an insurance quote, the cheapest is £3700 with £1000xs to be fair the way I did all the others was pick the first quote with xs below £1k so the comparable quote to the previous quotes is....... £4300 Rediculous when you consider a 2006 Audi A6 2.0tdi is £2700!
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Last Edit: Dec 3, 2019 17:56:31 GMT by joem83
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Just ran an insurance quote, the cheapest is £3700 with £1000xs to be fair the way I did all the others was pick the first quote with xs below £1k so the comparable quote to the previous quotes is....... £4300 Rediculous when you consider a 2006 Audi A6 2.0tdi is £2700! Wow! That is absolutely bonkers!! So the insurance groups don't seem to mean very much?
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Just ran an insurance quote, the cheapest is £3700 with £1000xs to be fair the way I did all the others was pick the first quote with xs below £1k so the comparable quote to the previous quotes is....... £4300 Rediculous when you consider a 2006 Audi A6 2.0tdi is £2700! Wow! That is absolutely bonkers!! So the insurance groups don't seem to mean very much? Yes and no, they must have some very clever algorithm that predicts the future, or maybe a crystal ball 🤷♂️
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ChasR
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Wow! That is absolutely bonkers!! So the insurance groups don't seem to mean very much? Yes and no, they must have some very clever algorithm that predicts the future, or maybe a crystal ball 🤷♂️ Alogorithm. In a small engined car that's a buzbox to most people, most peeps are likely to drive like them like they stole them, and knock the other cars in the car parks for good measure. In a 106, you're also probably quite likely to die in a head-on with any modern, and I mean a 'proper' modern there that's less than 8 years old, not this place's perception. A friend of mine unfortunately found that out the hard way, or at least his sister did . Remember that the 106 is basically a Citroen AX underneath ; the doors and everything are wafer thing on them. Dare I say it, I reckon an NA MX-5 is probably safer. A big car with more safety features? Less likely to be injured in an accident, which insurers reckon youngsters will get into. With things like parking sensors even on a 15 year old A6, you're probably less likely to hit someone in a carpark as well. I know when I was driving which now was a while ago despite me saying 2002 (Christ, 17 years ago almost to the day I passed my test!), most crashes happened in small 1 litre cars which were a pittance to buy. Me in an XJ40 XJR, a mate in a (no joke!) MG ZT-T 160, or another in a 406 HDI Rapier? No. Christ, even the chap with an Isuzu engined Landy 110 CSW was fine, albeit he was a farmer's son. I found exactly the same thing when my sister got insured. In short: -Alfa 147 was £1k as a named driver -Pug 106 GTi was £1.2k -306 DTurbo Meridian was £800 and then became £1.2k When she passed her test at 24 years old her car history was as follows: -2007 Mk3 Mondeo 1.8 LX, with the only mod being parking sensors. It was £800 FC. We sold that as it had 327k on the clock when the rear main seal started leaking badly, just after a clutch and DMF change too as an insult to injury. -2007 Saab 9-3 1.8t Linear 'vert. £1.4k. This was the Mondeo replacement back in 2016 as it was a friend's car, which I helped him maintain and it set us back then £1.4k. Oddly, although it looked better, my sister preferred it to the Mondeo in its driving dynamics to the Saab. TBH, none of us could get what the fuss was all about, as the Mondeo was a nicer steer, had more feedback and actually had gear ratios that didn't have enough room for another gearbox in between them. Only when she was able to get her car mapped this year and it went onto good rubber over midrange stuff for the first time in many years did it actually feel half decent and more like a car we'd want to drive. It was probably more the 70BHP increase I guess!
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Series Land Rover - Great car to learn in - if you can drive one of these you can drive anything. Safe ? Perhaps in 1960. The car in front is your crumple zone that's about it. Not a single passive safety measure, including seat belts that compress your spine, rubbish brakes compared to moderns, no roll over protection at all etc. etc. that's before you get into side facing bench seats in the back. I'm very conscious driving ours that any kind of impact more than 5mph its going to hurt me and my passengers- pot holes can cause injury... With the kids in the car I don't go over 40 and am super careful. Rather like original Beetles and Mini's cool but not a great place to be in the modern world where even a corsa weighs 1.3 tonnes. James Having owned 12 Land Rovers over the last 50 years, and driven many others whilst at work, I agree with some of your comments. The reason that the Land Rover Defender was scrapped and replaced by the new variant was all because of the old vehicle not being able to comply with safetry requirements, as we all know. The comments you make re potential health hazards are again potentially true; however if the vehicles are driven in the manner that they were designed to be driven and not as though one is competing on a Paris - Dakar rally, then I would rather be in one of them as opposed to a modern tin can. The choice is always that of the individual shelling out to buy the vehicle, and only they know what they are willing to accept. I was also involved in a head-on shunt with a car, whilst driving a Series 1, many, many moons ago. Yes I came to an abrupt halt. When the dust settled I merely engaged LOW ratio 4 wheel drive and backed away, pulling the front of the car, that had jumped a STOP sign and clobbered me, off. I had no injuries, but the front section of the LR chassis was somewhat redsigned and required substantial work to put it back in order. My current transport is a 1998 Defender 90 Truck cab (300tdi) with all of the various Allisport bits on and a bit of tweeking, plus a ZF4HP24 auto gearbox; chosen because it has no electronics on it. Does exactly what is says on the tin and I wouldn't change it for the world. Modern tin cans do not float my boat, and I would probably wreck one in a couple of months, merely by normal use. Takes all sorts, as they say :-)
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