Rob M
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Nov 24, 2019 19:14:39 GMT
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That is the kind of article you would expect to have been written by somebody who does a Motoring column in a Sunday National or The Beano.
While he and the term 'modern classic' may well deserve a good kick in, the thrust of the article, as ham fisted as it may have been presented, is really just the tip of a large ice berg that we will all eventually be hitting.
This notion that, because you drive an OLD car will mean that you will get a free pass to drive it everywhere and anywhere in the future, rubbing shoulders around the cities and towns with Electric/hydrogen/pig sh*t powered automobiles is the biggest load of cobblers ever.
It is inevitable that anything petrol or diesel powered, whatever their age, is going to be severely restricted in the near future, not the distant one and there is bog all we can do about it.
Part of that is down to colossal pressure from modern day Eco Terrorism and a larger part of the issue has been due to years of assuming that the FBHVC have shown enough teeth when putting the economic benefits, let alone right to enjoy, forwards as an absolutely cast in stone legislative demand, and not a 'we would like please'.
In perspective, when the price of fuel went up and up, the Transport industry managed to organise a mass of HGVs to go round and round the M25 and everywhere else which made national news.
People took notice.
Nothing like that is going to happen here, the economic argument will be consigned to the bin, for the greater good of mankind and all that.
Enjoy it while you can folks!
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Nov 24, 2019 20:16:47 GMT
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1967 Triumph Vitesse convertible (old friend)
1996 Audi A6 2.5 TDI Avant (still durability testing)
1972 GT6 Mk3 (Restored after loong rest & getting the hang of being a car again)
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Fossilfish
Part of things
Thank fossils for fuel!
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Nov 24, 2019 22:16:30 GMT
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I've been have been dreading this, I spoke to a older lady who has a 2000 Honda Jordan and she has had the car since new and 28k on the clock she wants rid, the flavour of difference will slowly disappear.
I have a 960 Volvo and love it but have to sell it due to this. I have found some odd cars that are interesting like a Rover 75 estate is exempt as is the is200 and I've settled on a IS300 with a 2JZ (ge) which is ULEZ compliant and I think is a kinda get around (kind of)
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Thank fossils for fuel!
1996 Jeep XJ Sport 2.5 Manual
1975 Scimitar 3.0 V6
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Nov 28, 2019 15:29:25 GMT
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scientifically, catalytic converters marginally increased CO2 output (compared to its identical twin car before 92) and then 5 years later they started charging us on our ability to produce it. at that point in time the best cars at not producing CO2 (diesels) and travelling the furthers distance on least amount of fuel (also diesels) took the market share in pasenger cars for the first time in history. now we are rightly vilifying them for particulates and lung disease.
i don't know what my point is really, but just how "ecological" has morphed (from a fiscal stand point) from getting down the road using the least amount of fuel possible into clean air in city centres
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Nov 28, 2019 15:40:38 GMT
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Remember back in 1997 before Labour froze the date, 25 years was the cutoff date vhi was introduced at the same time as SORN rules and the whole 8 point system for kit cars. it was part of the continuous taxation policy so that all cars came back on the radar so to speak, plus they all had an anniversary date. whether that be to get your free tax, renew your sorn or your road fund license. anyway, they expected VHI to lure a few thousand cars out of the woodwork but the figure ballooned to nearly half a million. |
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madmog
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Club RR Member Number: 46
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I think the whole ULEZ thing is another money raising exercise disguised as 'saving the environment for your own good'. Perhaps with a bit of divide and rule thrown in with us divided and arguing over the definition of modern classics instead of seeing the big picture. If this wasn't the case, why not hold Chinese imported anything to the same environmental standards as the UK/EU? For example, British Steel became 'unprofitable' because it had to give £100 million to the EU as a carbon tax while Chinese steel doesn't and is arguably produced much more dirtily and with none of cost of the workers' rights the EU pretend to care about. www.bbc.com/news/business-48113303Surely getting the dirtiest countries in the world to clean up by adding tariffs that make clean production cheaper than dirty production would have much more environmental impact than moving the cleanest up a few notches. Also while not getting into the argument that electric power is good, bad or indifferent, if you thought, "I know, with a heavy heart and lightened wallet I'll convert my perfectly good 'modern classic' from petrol to electric so that I can afford to keep it in the ULEZ long term you'll get a kick in the teeth letter like this from the DVLA when you've converted and applied for a change in fuel type. www.facebook.com/LondonElectricCars/photos/pcb.2237103029840362/2237101373173861/?type=3&theaterWhich I can only see as meaning, 'we're not having clever people innovating, striving and solving the problems we claim are important because they would ruin our money-making scam. Now pay up plebs and don't question your betters'. Or did I miss something? |
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Don’t go or live in London, simple, horrendous place
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tofufi
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Also while not getting into the argument that electric power is good, bad or indifferent, if you thought, "I know, with a heavy heart and lightened wallet I'll convert my perfectly good 'modern classic' from petrol to electric so that I can afford to keep it in the ULEZ long term you'll get a kick in the teeth letter like this from the DVLA when you've converted and applied for a change in fuel type. www.facebook.com/LondonElectricCars/photos/pcb.2237103029840362/2237101373173861/?type=3&theaterWhich I can only see as meaning, 'we're not having clever people innovating, striving and solving the problems we claim are important because they would ruin our money-making scam. Now pay up plebs and don't question your betters'. Or did I miss something? Did you read the applicable legislation? Firstly, it only applies to vehicles built in 2001 onwards which have a CO2 figure upon registration. Presumably this was implemented to ensure engine swaps etc didn't change the CO2 tax bracket, as I imagine when this was written it wasn't envisaged that many people would want to do EV swaps. I'd suggest it's more the legislation being out of date than any conspiracy to charge people more in this instance. On a brief reading it would also mean the tax bracket shouldn't change if you converted a 1.0 fiat Seicento to run a big block V8... |
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madmog
Club Retro Rides Member
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Also while not getting into the argument that electric power is good, bad or indifferent, if you thought, "I know, with a heavy heart and lightened wallet I'll convert my perfectly good 'modern classic' from petrol to electric so that I can afford to keep it in the ULEZ long term you'll get a kick in the teeth letter like this from the DVLA when you've converted and applied for a change in fuel type. www.facebook.com/LondonElectricCars/photos/pcb.2237103029840362/2237101373173861/?type=3&theaterWhich I can only see as meaning, 'we're not having clever people innovating, striving and solving the problems we claim are important because they would ruin our money-making scam. Now pay up plebs and don't question your betters'. Or did I miss something? Did you read the applicable legislation? Firstly, it only applies to vehicles built in 2001 onwards which have a CO2 figure upon registration. Presumably this was implemented to ensure engine swaps etc didn't change the CO2 tax bracket, as I imagine when this was written it wasn't envisaged that many people would want to do EV swaps. I'd suggest it's more the legislation being out of date than any conspiracy to charge people more in this instance. On a brief reading it would also mean the tax bracket shouldn't change if you converted a 1.0 fiat Seicento to run a big block V8... 2001 yes, 'modern classics'. I did read it but found it difficult going. I concur that it's based upon the CO2 figure upon registration but strongly suspect that if you were applying for the big block V8 conversion that would be no barrier to a change in taxation class. |
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I'm well aware my Sierra is going to cost me £12.50 every time I drive it once the ULEZ gets extended and I end up in the zone ;-(
I was surprised though, when I put in my mk1 Escort reg that it isn't exempt - is it only classic cars that are registered as MOT exempt that count? (I never did that because it is stupid)
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tofufi
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Did you read the applicable legislation? Firstly, it only applies to vehicles built in 2001 onwards which have a CO2 figure upon registration. Presumably this was implemented to ensure engine swaps etc didn't change the CO2 tax bracket, as I imagine when this was written it wasn't envisaged that many people would want to do EV swaps. I'd suggest it's more the legislation being out of date than any conspiracy to charge people more in this instance. On a brief reading it would also mean the tax bracket shouldn't change if you converted a 1.0 fiat Seicento to run a big block V8... 2001 yes, 'modern classics'. I did read it but found it difficult going. I concur that it's based upon the CO2 figure upon registration but strongly suspect that if you were applying for the big block V8 conversion that would be no barrier to a change in taxation class. I barely consider my 1990 cars to be modern classics. They're just old. The legislation states that the tax band cannot be changed. They can't reasonably interpret it one way for EV swaps and another for fitting a larger engine. That would be a quick way to get a lawsuit... |
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I think the whole ULEZ thing is another money raising exercise disguised as 'saving the environment for your own good'. i'm 100% with you regards the cynicism and the sentiment of what you say, however ulez is specifically about clean air, as in physical particulates at the road side. you'd hope it was about saving the planet, but its not so much. the worst thing that could happen by us conforming is people not getting lung disease. |
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