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Got to be honest, I only use Gates timing belts. Other aux drive belts we use Continental Direct and Dayco etc.
At least you know the QH one will be newish rather than one sat on the shelf for 30 years.
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1988 DUTTON LEGERRA MK1 - SPARES DONOR 1989 DUTTON LEGERRA MK2 - CURRENT PROJECT 1990 DUTTON LEGERRA ZS MK2 1990 DUTTON LEGERRA ZS MK2 DUTTON PHAETON S2 - Resting DUTTON PHAETON S4 - Resting DUTTON PHAETON S4 - PROJECT X DUTTON SIERRA S2 - Resting
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ChasR
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Quinton hazell - any good?ChasR
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It's a bit mental though that there'd be two similar but slightly different assembly lines in the factory? Or they make it in another factory as per the Mercedes Bosch Spark Plug example. In the automotive world, things do get scrapped more than you think on the line ; they may not be any good to a manufacturer but they could be fine for a retailer... That and tighter quality controls lead to a more expensive product, even with less options in some cases. With the ECP example, I was stating Lemforder don't even make them; it's merely a label for ECP
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How many of us used to use Crossland filters? I've still got hundreds of them in the stock room... The name is now owned by ECP but i'll bet the filters are made in the far east.
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1988 DUTTON LEGERRA MK1 - SPARES DONOR 1989 DUTTON LEGERRA MK2 - CURRENT PROJECT 1990 DUTTON LEGERRA ZS MK2 1990 DUTTON LEGERRA ZS MK2 DUTTON PHAETON S2 - Resting DUTTON PHAETON S4 - Resting DUTTON PHAETON S4 - PROJECT X DUTTON SIERRA S2 - Resting
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Dez
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Quinton hazell - any good?Dez
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Made in China doesn’t mean bad, just as made in Europe or Britain doesn’t mean good. It’s down to the post production quality control aspect as much as the actual manufacturing process.
The main reasons everything is made overseas now is because we have workers rights, health and safety and a minimum wage. They don’t, or at levels less than ours.
But the idea that we made components that were ‘better’ back in the day is laughable, most of the stuff back then was cr4p too. Having to replace suspension and braking components every year for the MOT was perfectly normal, but as everyone was generally a bit handier and had more space, tools and time years ago, it was just what you did on the weekend. Even in the 80s and 90s when I was growing up it was rare for anyone I knew or any of their family to actually take a car to a garage.
I’ve been messing about with old cars for nearly 20 years, and if anything the quality of cheap parts has risen considerably in that time as production has been shipped overseas. Some of the worst parts you can get these days are from counties like Spain, which are sold for a midrange price as they have ‘made in Europe’ which people seem to confuse with quality.
Bottom line is these days you buy on the warranty offered rather than the actual part.
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There is a certain manufacturer in the Land Rover world who ‘manufactures’ parts that you can expect to fail within the year, certainly wont make it through the next MOT I refuse to fit anything by them to my truck, bitter experience, and I have been told by numerous others that the only way they don’t fail is when the quality is so poor that the part won’t actually fit in the first place! Yet this manufacturer manages to keep going, presumably because people who don’t work on their own cars just keep forking out their money to garages for the same repairs
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melle
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There is a certain manufacturer in the Land Rover world who ‘manufactures’ parts that you can expect to fail within the year, certainly wont make it through the next MOT There's also such a manufacturer in the Saab world (and they're called Professional Parts Sweden, formerly Scantech); especially any of their parts that involve rubber are shockingly bad. I suppose the difference with your Land Rover manufacturer is though, that for many parts there is no alternative and even specialists / ex-dealers are stuck with using their curse word.
I always used to buy the best parts I could afford, I now just buy the best parts I can get hold of and worry about affordability later. It may cost a bit more initially, but it certainly pays off in the long run.
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www.saabv4.com'70 Saab 96 V4 "The Devil's Own V4" '77 Saab 95 V4 van conversion project '88 Saab 900i 8V
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There is a certain manufacturer in the Land Rover world who ‘manufactures’ parts that you can expect to fail within the year, certainly wont make it through the next MOT There's also such a manufacturer in the Saab world (and they're called Professional Parts Sweden, formerly Scantech); especially any of their parts that involve rubber are shockingly bad. I suppose the difference with your Land Rover manufacturer is though, that for many parts there is no alternative and even specialists / ex-dealers are stuck with using their curse word.
I always used to buy the best parts I could afford, I now just buy the best parts I can get hold of and worry about affordability later. It may cost a bit more initially, but it certainly pays off in the long run.
Fortunately there are several aftermarket manufacturers, and the others that I use are much better, probably because there’s quite a following for old landlies, someone I know of even built a completely new series 3 a few years ago, just to prove it could be done, and got it registered as a new car, think it cost about £18k which I didn’t think was bad! I also check the quality of anything I buy these days, as you say it pays in the long run
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There is a certain manufacturer in the Land Rover world who ‘manufactures’ parts that you can expect to fail within the year, certainly wont make it through the next MOT I replaced this on my '38... and could only get Britpart. Good job I checked, the screws holding the two parts together were finger tight. It's the valve that feeds the rear brakes, on a pressurised system that runs at 80bar. That would have been messy! I used it, but fitted nuts and spring washers (+loctite) before sticking it on the vehicle. So far, so good.
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There is a certain manufacturer in the Land Rover world who ‘manufactures’ parts that you can expect to fail within the year, certainly wont make it through the next MOT I replaced this on my '38... and could only get Britpart. Good job I checked, the screws holding the two parts together were finger tight. It's the valve that feeds the rear brakes, on a pressurised system that runs at 80bar. That would have been messy! I used it, but fitted nuts and spring washers (+loctite) before sticking it on the vehicle. So far, so good. How’d you guess who I was talking about??🤔😀
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stealthstylz
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Quinton hazell - any good?stealthstylz
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I've had customers supply Britpart pistons (size tolerance burn oil/seize up) and honing the cylinders to different sizes for each individual piston is a ball ache.
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Jan 13, 2020 16:52:07 GMT
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Well I’ve fitted the QH cambelt, and so far it’s been fine, although it’s only been 24 hours Glad I did because the old tensioner wasn’t too good, although that bit isn’t QH
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Jan 13, 2020 17:07:18 GMT
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My xc90 is nice and right again braking in a straight line ☺
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Jan 13, 2020 17:27:20 GMT
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Hopefully parts quality isn’t too much of an issue then 🤞
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Jan 13, 2020 20:48:15 GMT
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good old shitpart!
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Jan 14, 2020 16:35:03 GMT
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Time will tel! I guess.
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Jul 10, 2020 18:22:17 GMT
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I've just come back from an MOT with a glum face . Why.? Because the Quinton Hazell lower arms that I bought on August 22nd 2019 ( so like less than a year ago ) have failed the MOT . That is so dissapointing. At £35.50 each they were cheap, but not that Cheap. Quinton Hazell , like so many other British brand names are now selling cheap rubbish - cashing in on 50 years of being a quality parts brand associated with Vauxhall motors. Rubbish.
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Jul 10, 2020 18:29:13 GMT
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I've just come back from an MOT with a glum face . Why.? Because the Quinton Hazell lower arms that I bought on August 22nd 2019 ( so like less than a year ago ) have failed the MOT . That is so dissapointing. At £35.50 each they were cheap, but not that Cheap. Quinton Hazell , like so many other British brand names are now selling cheap rubbish - cashing in on 50 years of being a quality parts brand associated with Vauxhall motors. Rubbish. Same as I had last year with a QH ball joint - 6000 miles, slightly over 12 months. Not sure they were ever associated with Vauxhall, were they? I don't know who owns the brand name now, but that's all it will be - a name to be put on some low-cost product. Try for a refund - I just emailed the seller, explained that I didn't think that was much of a lifespan, they sent a refund by return. When you consider that some of the ball joints on my project Audi coupe - which has 272,000 on the clock - are the original ones (in fact, I think they all are) quality has obviously taken a down-turn somewhere.
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Last Edit: Jul 10, 2020 18:29:59 GMT by droopsnoot
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Jul 10, 2020 18:32:36 GMT
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That's not good. Hope my wishbones last longer!!
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Ritchie
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Quinton hazell - any good?Ritchie
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Jul 10, 2020 21:02:37 GMT
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When I was in the trade years ago they were always ok-ish. But you didn’t really have much choice as QH was mostly what our 2 local factors had. I seem to remember water pumps were ok but I refused to use the cam belts and bottom ball joints generally lasted a year or less, same with cavalier wishbone rear bushes. Rubbish. I wouldn’t touch them for anything now.
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Jul 10, 2020 22:01:12 GMT
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So... is there a decent brand to look for? I went through my daily driver (306 d turbo) 18 months ago; ball joints, bushes, track rod ends, arb bushes, sub frame mounts, the whole kit and kaboodle. I used "decent" parts ie manufacturers I recognised. It was okay for a bit, now its banging and crashing over bumps worse than ever. 150k on oem, 10k on aftermarket. And I sought out the "decent" brands (and paid way more than ecp/gsf offer prices). I might ring the main stealer next time... do it once, do it right.
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