Mark
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Sept 20, 2022 15:16:05 GMT
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I echo the great thanks to everyone involved - both organisers, staff and all the people who I chatted to! It was the best gathering ever in my opinion: - The campsite was brilliant - I found it really easy to get around to see people and watching track action while incredibly hungover from a camp seat surrounded by mates was epic. - The track action was brilliant, especially the Quick60. - The show was more condensed but quality was as good as ever - for the first time ever I think I saw nearly every car there instead of running out of steam as a hungover mess. - There was Jamaican food. The only downside was the uncontrollable, the weather! Like Dez, the booze & campfire has stayed with me - I still smell like campfire despite 3 long showers Can't wait until next year!
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qwerty
Club Retro Rides Member
Posts: 2,410
Club RR Member Number: 52
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@qwerty
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Sept 20, 2022 15:16:21 GMT
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I think the campsite thing might have something to do with it been cold maybe, as I've literally never seen everybody as absolutely hammered as we all were, along with trying to stay near enough to a fire to keep warm. I'm not sure, the campsite just didn't feel quite as involving maybe. I don't want to get into massive comparisons with Shelsley, but there it didn't really matter where you were on the campsite because it was just a circle, so everyone inevitably ended up wandering or driving past. Whereas at Mallory it kinda had a core and the a couple of offshoots where it felt less involved. The problem is, camping trackside also had the massive plus of being able to watch the Quick 60 from the tent, so I'm not sure how to balance it.
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ferny
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Club RR Member Number: 13
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@ferny
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Sept 20, 2022 16:26:12 GMT
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I think the campsite thing might have something to do with it been cold maybe, as I've literally never seen everybody as absolutely hammered as we all were, along with trying to stay near enough to a fire to keep warm. I'm not sure, the campsite just didn't feel quite as involving maybe. I don't want to get into massive comparisons with Shelsley, but there it didn't really matter where you were on the campsite because it was just a circle, so everyone inevitably ended up wandering or driving past. Whereas at Mallory it kinda had a core and the a couple of offshoots where it felt less involved. The problem is, camping trackside also had the massive plus of being able to watch the Quick 60 from the tent, so I'm not sure how to balance it. Organise a flotilla and camp on the lake?
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qwerty
Club Retro Rides Member
Posts: 2,410
Club RR Member Number: 52
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@qwerty
Club Retro Rides Member 52
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Sept 20, 2022 17:02:24 GMT
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I'm not sure, the campsite just didn't feel quite as involving maybe. I don't want to get into massive comparisons with Shelsley, but there it didn't really matter where you were on the campsite because it was just a circle, so everyone inevitably ended up wandering or driving past. Whereas at Mallory it kinda had a core and the a couple of offshoots where it felt less involved. The problem is, camping trackside also had the massive plus of being able to watch the Quick 60 from the tent, so I'm not sure how to balance it. Organise a flotilla and camp on the lake? How about the 1st Retro Rides Boat race! Bit like the soap box race, but a bit more damp.
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slater
Club Retro Rides Member
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Club RR Member Number: 78
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Sept 20, 2022 19:19:49 GMT
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Top marks from me. Opportunity to get the car out and use it on both days was spot on. Shelsey was great the first few years but I found it had become a bit stale and the hill climb was a bit restrictive on what you could run. The regular change of venue was a big part of what made RRG special in the early days. I understand it's probably not viable to change every year but its ciritanly not a negative when it does!
Thought the quick60 was great. A good mix of cars and friendly no hassle atmosphere. I think the class system is a bit weird. don't really see the point in splitting pre and post 98 cars yet not splitting NA 1400cc from 2L turbos. If it was me I'd be using a points system.
1 point for running slicks 1 point for running turbo/supercharged 1 point for over 1400cc 1 point for over 2L 1 point for aero maybe
Bottom class has 0 points top class has 5
You should still end up with 5 or 6 classes but they would more reflect the cars pace potential and attract a few more entries from the smaller engined mod-prod side of things who i think would be put off a little bit with the prospect of only getting 2 competitive runs.
Sunday track time was a step in the right direction allowing overtaking too. I would be a supporter of moving it more toward a a track day format than a sprint. I got 4 runs and could have had 5 but would be more in favour of 2 runs of 4 laps than 5 runs of 2 and surely it would run smoother and waste less time between runs?
Both venues are a bit close to home for me to bother camping yet always feel like I'm missing out not doing the full weekend.
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MonzaPhil
Posted a lot
Think like a man of action, act like a man of thought
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Sept 21, 2022 9:41:41 GMT
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I have never eaten or breathed in so much dust! Have to say Friday night was bitter but what an absolute blast, stayed up too late, ate far too much (despite having to cook in a kettle as someone forgot saucepans), finally managed to drink the keg of beer that I have left at home for the last 4 RR events.
Really liked the venue, viewing was excellent, great shenanigans, glad nobody died from 40 year old Heinekin..... for some reason I didn't come home with a random front wing.
Great to see and catch up with loads of you lot, sorry if I missed you.
Time to prep for Goodwood now.
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LowStandards
Club Retro Rides Member
Bigging Up The Sum Sum Man Since '99
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Sept 21, 2022 10:32:45 GMT
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I loved it, couldn't fault it really Camping could be sorted by selling less tickets - maybe don't sell any to miserable old men in huge campervans up near the toilet blocks I like Slaters idea of running more laps, less times, it did seem like as soon as you saw a 'race' starting, it ended If you could sort out some sort of global warming event for the next weekend as well, it was proper brassic
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skinnylew
Club Retro Rides Member
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Club RR Member Number: 11
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Club Retro Rides Member 11
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Sept 21, 2022 19:42:50 GMT
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It was my first RR event post covid and I really enjoyed it. I was only up on the Sunday in the modern but it was really well organised, nice venue (if a bit dusty!). Managed to see some old familiar faces and meet a few new ones from the twittersphere. It was packed and really pleased to see a good variety of cars there as well.
French stuff sorely lacking mind you, handful of Citroens, a few Peugeots and a decent showing of Renaults. Intrigued as to why that was. Also not masses of modern retro stuff (aside from Lexus/Volvo/BMW/Mercedes content) which surprised me, I expected to see some later stuff Escorts, Fiesta's, early Focus, Mondeos, etc
Considering it was a new venue and a different date i was really impressed with the organisation, of course there are things that will need tweaking and adjusting, but was well worth the time, money and effort to get up there from S.E London (despite hitting traffic on the M1 when they closed it both directions just in front of me on the way home!!)
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Enbloc
Part of things
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Sept 21, 2022 22:30:04 GMT
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Top marks from me. Opportunity to get the car out and use it on both days was spot on. Shelsey was great the first few years but I found it had become a bit stale and the hill climb was a bit restrictive on what you could run. The regular change of venue was a big part of what made RRG special in the early days. I understand it's probably not viable to change every year but its ciritanly not a negative when it does! Thought the quick60 was great. A good mix of cars and friendly no hassle atmosphere. I think the class system is a bit weird. don't really see the point in splitting pre and post 98 cars yet not splitting NA 1400cc from 2L turbos. If it was me I'd be using a points system. 1 point for running slicks 1 point for running turbo/supercharged 1 point for over 1400cc 1 point for over 2L 1 point for aero maybe Bottom class has 0 points top class has 5 You should still end up with 5 or 6 classes but they would more reflect the cars pace potential and attract a few more entries from the smaller engined mod-prod side of things who i think would be put off a little bit with the prospect of only getting 2 competitive runs. Sunday track time was a step in the right direction allowing overtaking too. I would be a supporter of moving it more toward a a track day format than a sprint. I got 4 runs and could have had 5 but would be more in favour of 2 runs of 4 laps than 5 runs of 2 and surely it would run smoother and waste less time between runs? Both venues are a bit close to home for me to bother camping yet always feel like I'm missing out not doing the full weekend. As another Quick60 competitor I pretty much agree with all of the above. Surely the easiest and fairest class struture is power/weight or maybe lowering the date cut off to really break up the classics/retros from the moderns. I actually had this very conversation with David on the Saturday morning. The more I think about it, the weirder the pre/post '98 cut off seems. I'm sure there was a reason for this chosen date, but the Mild pre'98 class was pretty much made up of classics (Great!), running fairly similar times but the mid 90's 2L, turbo, 4 wheel drive Impreza totally cleared up, obviously, running sub 1min times! Don't get wrong I'm not knocking the guy. He was totally legal for the class. I wish I had known that there was overtaking allowed on the Sunday, I would have signed up for that as well! Much better seeing the track groups going out as a pack rather than individually.
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Sept 24, 2022 18:35:12 GMT
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Thought the quick60 was great. A good mix of cars and friendly no hassle atmosphere. I think the class system is a bit weird. don't really see the point in splitting pre and post 98 cars yet not splitting NA 1400cc from 2L turbos. If it was me I'd be using a points system. Surely the easiest and fairest class struture is power/weight or maybe lowering the date cut off to really break up the classics/retros from the moderns. I actually had this very conversation with David on the Saturday morning. I think next year we'll be running our own variation of the FIA Performance Factor : performancefactor.fia.com/home/public-mode which is kind of a points/weight system (although the FIA one is flawed in the way it uses the weight calculation) We are also looking at the general European hillclimb rules/class structure. We were a bit hamstrung by having used MotorsportUK regs last time out and not having had enough time to change them this time (now we are free of having to shoehorn the MUK regs on to what we want to actually do). I really wanted to add a pre 70's class as well, but Revival clash made that a little more difficult for cars. Think we'll rename Wild to Extreme to make communication easier in the paddocks. As well as a host of other things we learned this year. Number one thing is next years event will be opened to entry A LOT earlier hahah
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Last Edit: Sept 25, 2022 7:29:58 GMT by HoTWire
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