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My dad had a 2.0 TDCI (not ST but basically the same car with similar problems), the main issue was the flywheel annd clutch, once sorted it was a great car. His was an 05 and at the same time I have an 06 Jaguar X-Type which had the same engine etc.
Only thing I can say is the X-Type was far quieter and more refined, it must have had better sound proofing. The Mondeo is (in my view anyway) a better looking car and the ST is better still.
If I had to find a new daily one of these would be on my list to look for, especially if it was an estate.
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It passed - advised on a tyre that I knew about, but was waiting till I knew what I was doing with it to change, and lower arms ball joint covers. These are a pig to do as well, as I'll do the full arms, requires the rear subframe dropping to get the bolts out. But since it was nice I've treated it to a set of recaros that I've wanted for ages. It's a good car, just don't buy a cheap one 😂 that's where I went wrong I think, but the colour sold me
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norm75
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It passed - advised on a tyre that I knew about, but was waiting till I knew what I was doing with it to change, and lower arms ball joint covers. These are a pig to do as well, as I'll do the full arms, requires the rear subframe dropping to get the bolts out. But since it was nice I've treated it to a set of recaros that I've wanted for ages. It's a good car, just don't buy a cheap one 😂 that's where I went wrong I think, but the colour sold me buying a car is a lottery. An expensive one doesn’t mean it won’t go wrong. For example, the cheapest car I have ever owned was a Volvo v40 t4. Top of range so enough on it to go wrong, but for the 3 or 4 years I owned it not a thing went wrong with it, most reliable car I’ve had. All for £800. I replaced it with an £8000 Volvo v50 2.0d (same engine as a Ford tdci, and many parts stamped foMoCo on it) low mileage, immaculate, from a Volvo main dealer. Within a month it was back at the dealership having a couple of grand thrown at it for replacement parts. Thankfully I bought it from a main dealer so there were no quibbles. Least reliable car I’ve owned (and yes it’s had the clutch and dmf replaced in my ownership, cost about £750 to have done but £300 of that was labour)
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Davey
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Mar 15, 2023 11:27:21 GMT
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As mentioned above, I'm currently running a 2.0 petrol mk2 focus and am seeing mid 40's on my commute. When we used to run a diesel equivalent as a courtesy car it was in for engine work more than customers cars. They do however look good. I think every model ford sold around this time are prone to engine mounts failing, listen for excessive cabin noice.
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K11 Micra x3 - Mk3 astra - Seat Marbella - Mk6 Escort estate - B5 Passat - Alfa 156 estate - E36 compact Mk2 MR2 T-bar - E46 328i - Skoda Superb - Fiat seicento - 6n2 Polo - 6n polo 1.6 - Mk1 GS300 EU8 civic type S - MG ZT cdti - R56 MINI Cooper S - Audi A3 8p - Jaguar XF (X250) - FN2 Civic Type R - Mk2 2.0i Ford Focus
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Mar 15, 2023 15:11:45 GMT
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You don’t want one of them…..you want one of these😁
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Fraud owners club member 1999 Jaguar s type 1993 ford escort
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paul99
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Mar 15, 2023 16:41:56 GMT
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Had the 2.2 TDCi and the biggest car regret of my life. in 18 months/ 40000 miles it had:
Clutch/DMF (£900) Rear caliper siezed (£300) Front Spring (£150) Complete Exhaust (£250) Second Clutch disintegrated as he rivets failed, damaging the gearbox as well (£1200) - apparently you need specialist tools to line the gearbox up putting it back. Don't be tempted by a single mass flywheel on the 2.2 either, you'll chew the gearbox up.
Nice when it worked but lost complete faith in it as a get to work car. Chopped it in for a Volvo S60
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Mar 15, 2023 20:27:00 GMT
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None of those issues are Mondeo specific though, in fact they're the bane of most modern diesels even now. The second clutch rivets failing sounds like either a manufacturing defect or excessive heat through them, and I've never had to use anything other than my eyes to align an MTX75 or an MMT6 gearbox.
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paul99
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Mar 15, 2023 20:45:52 GMT
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None of those issues are Mondeo specific though, in fact they're the bane of most modern diesels even now. The second clutch rivets failing sounds like either a manufacturing defect or excessive heat through them, and I've never had to use anything other than my eyes to align an MTX75 or an MMT6 gearbox. Well that was my experience. Every rattle and squeak left me thinking 'what's breaking now?' Not what you want on a car you're relying on.
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Mar 15, 2023 21:53:09 GMT
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None of those issues are Mondeo specific though, in fact they're the bane of most modern diesels even now. The second clutch rivets failing sounds like either a manufacturing defect or excessive heat through them, and I've never had to use anything other than my eyes to align an MTX75 or an MMT6 gearbox. On those cars there is special tool to install the clutch, its been a while since I did one but its something to do with it being self adjusting and if you fit it without you won't get the full life out of the clutch, it might be ok for a few years but will fail early so it depends on how much life you need to get out of the car or how much use its going to get.
When I did my dads mondeo and my X-Type 2.0 (same engine, clutch etc.) my local motor factors hired the tool out for next to nothing with a hefty deposited repaid on its safe return.
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Mar 15, 2023 22:20:00 GMT
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Yeah it's just to make sure the self adjusting mechanism is locked in place for a new disc.
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ChasR
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The issues you raise, can happen to any car, as XBL said.
Furthermore, those prices are what I'd expect to pay if I went to a garage. I've fixed a number of those issues for much less, by giving them a stab myself, albeit that is not something everyone can do to be fair.
The self-adjusting clutch is there, so that the clutch pedal action doesn't become heavier. By changing the ramp angles as the clutch wears down, you won't end up with
-a pedal which moves up as it wears out (i.e it won't get higher like it used to with old clutches) -a heavier clutch, which most clutches tend to have happen as it wears down.
The latter happens, as the leverage point on the fingers gets smaller as the disc wears down, which in turn gives the heavier pedal.
Most clutches over the last 20 years will have this adjustment. IME, you can generally put the clutch in first time, and it's fine. The problems start if the clutch is removed again, and then you'll need to either fashion a tool to adjust it, or buy the tool online, as the clutch will lose its adjustment. After all, removing the clutch is simulating that wear.
For both myself, and a friend, we had this issue, and the biting point hit the floor, almost as if the hydraulics had failed. We bled the system out alot, until we discovered this self adjusting mechanism.
What's more surprising is that even 'good' garages don't know about this self adjusting mechanism.
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Last Edit: Mar 21, 2023 6:55:39 GMT by ChasR
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Mar 26, 2023 10:57:53 GMT
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I'm on my second Mk3 2.0 TDCI. I've run them as dailies since 2008 and covered 200k+ in total.
First one (an 04-plate Ghia) had DMF problems which cost £1,600 and rear callipers which I 'repaired' a couple of times to get it through MoTs. Nothing much else to speak of in 7 years until the injectors started playing up, shortly after which it died of a cooked head gasket which ultimately was my fault (coolant hose broke the plastic fitting on a long trip and I didn't notice until it was too late).
Second one (an 07-plate Titanium) which I still have, I bought as a punt with broken injectors in 2014. Put a set of 2nd-hand injectors in it (£120) and ran it for 4 years on them, until they started acting up. I then replaced them with a set of recon ones for £480.
This one has had a few bits (other than service items): drop links; aircon compressor; glow plugs; oil cooler thermostat; a set of springs; brake pipes; rear wheel bearings; crank pulley; bonnet lock; rear callipers. Now needs that awkward sound-deadening block around the brake pedal.
Yes, there's been a steady stream of bits to do, but apart from the injectors none of them were show-stoppers.
BUT!
I think overall they are excellent cars (hence running one for over 15 years). They are comfortable, economical, quick enough and agile enough so that you rarely feel "left behind" and dare I say good looking, even in non-ST trim?
The biggest plus for me I think is the practicality. They're not massive (by today's standards) but are huge on the inside, especially with the back seats down.
I usually sum them up like this: "they're as much car as you really need on a day-to-day basis".
As has been mentioned, they are getting a little long in the tooth now and finding another one when this one dies will be difficult. That is NOT a day that I'm looking forward to!
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I actually have a daily driver 05 ST tdci, and I love it! Purchased it during first lockdown with 89k on the clock. It's now at 116k and I've had very few major problems with it. Just general wear and tear mostly, although I found out yesterday I'm leaking boost. On a run I managed to get 60mpg...it was a long run. I usually get 40-50mpg on a standard run. Can do 400 miles on £40. I love the car and would recommend it.
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