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Jun 19, 2006 14:47:03 GMT
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reg126, and other banger racers, as I have your attention, what makes you want to smash cars up? I'm completely at a loss?
But, is banger racing really more competitive as a sport than F1? Don't even try and qualify this, as I don't even want to hear it. I am not an F1 tifosi, by any stretch of the imagination, but this statement is not really serious, is it?!
And yes, I am that old. Or at least I feel it at times like this, as I surely don't understand half of what makes 'modern man' tick.
BB
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Yesterday at 7:54, pogweasel wrote:
Nothing wrong with creature comforts. If I want masochism, I'll just go and slam my knackers in the fridge door for a bit.
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Jun 19, 2006 16:41:36 GMT
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Hi all.
I have just registered with this forum to add my bit, only to find that reg126 has taken the words out of my mouth. I, too, like old and rare cars and have spent a ridiculous amount of time repairing and restoring what many people thought should have been scrapped. I did not break my toys, in fact i have still got quite a few of them. I spent a lot of time in my teens building model cars and racing them - again still have many of them.
I have also enjoyed most variations of motor sport for as long as I can remember, and have been following stock car and banger racing since the heady days of the 50's.
I do not see the connection between a mis-spent childhood and enjoying a particular sport - yes, banger racing IS a sport, but I can also see that that may not be obvious to those who want to knock it. As for a comparison with F1, you only have to listen to anyone's account of the previous day's grand prix - the only part they remember is the crash at the start! In fact, the likes of Shane Davies or Dave Vincent frequently overtake more cars on a lap than Michael Schumacher does in a season - and if they happen to scratch each other's paint, they will laugh and shake hands.
I do not race myself, but I do help out at a banger track and would say that the drivers, mechanics and officials are among the most friendly and trustworthy people I have ever been associated with.
As for theives, yes there may be some people in the sport who do not respect the property of others - as there almost certainly are everywhere. However, to assume that a vehicle has been stolen for a particular purpose, or by a specific group, will serve no useful purpose - in fact, all it will do is cloud the issue and possibly discourage someone from looking in the right place.
Let us all keep an open mind about the fate of stolen cars until we have some concrete proof of who the culprit is, by which I mean the thief, not someone who unwittingly ended up with the car (or possibly what was left of it after the real thief stripped it of what they wanted).
Surely, rather than the individual groups indulging in a mass slanging match, we would do better to concentrate our efforts on looking out for these cars and working together to stamp out this craze.
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Jun 19, 2006 17:50:06 GMT
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Well over one hundred thousand people have raced a banger since the sports early days which go back to the 1950's. It is hugely enjoyable to compete in and a very demanding test of skill and judgement and quick reactions. Some drivers do consistently better than others and attitudes vary. Some drivers are happier to go for best finish while some others choose to wreck but the joy of competing is the main thing. The contact element adds to the variations in a race as both defensive and offensive skills are required for success. Driver ability is also tested by using fairly standard cars and as they get damaged the handling characteristics may change. Additionally racing a wide variety of cars also adds to the variety. Having a good wrecking session in a demolition derby does get the aggression out in a safe non harmful manner. Why smash up old cars....To me its a better way of ending their life than rotting into the ground, being cut up , or being crushed and provides myself with a lot of fun and also entertains the spectators. Some people have suggested classic rallying for old cars... but having seen film footage of many getting smashed in accidents then I wonder as to the wisdom of rallying good condition classics as opposed to rotten rusted out classics which end up on the track. The better cars should really be preserved and used with care. That'll do for now.
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Jun 19, 2006 20:19:18 GMT
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The current situation with the datsun 180B SSS is not something banger racing needed or desired. I wish to refrain from commenting further in case of impending court cases but have full sympathy with the person who legitimately owned the said car. That's the thing I've been waiting to hear all the time. Thank you. I'm hoping that the next time the racer in question turns up at a meeting the decent majority (everyone except him hopefully) will have something to say about the damage he has done to their hobby. You don't need people like that, and nor do we. To all the banger racers who have joined the forum and posted their comments, thank you.
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Anyone who sees this as a worthwhile pass-time (NOT sport) is odd in my book, and that goes double for the plod and barrister. Not only that, with a bit of lateral thinking they could afford a half decent track racer, and entry into a real competition for what they spend on these things. Can I suggest that you pick up a dictionary from time to time? SPORT: a game, competition or activity needing physical effort and skill that is played or done according to rules, for enjoyment and/or as a job. Why would they want to afford a half decent racer? I have had a couple of go's at Banger Racing in the past, the reason? Beacause I WANTED to. I can afford a half decent track racer and entry into the competitions but I don't want to, that's the difference. It is just another classic example of replacement psychology. Can't have or do what someone else can, so they use a corrupt version of what they really want in order to prove that they did not really want it in the first place. Sad and deficient in all aspects. We all knew them as kids who would smash up an expensive toy, for their parents to go out and buy them another, as a substitute for attention. From where I stand this is just the same, "look at me, I'm smashing up a cool car!", "look at me, I've got this, only one of two in the UK, it's perfect, so I'm going to smash it, how cool am I?!". Good to see you sat down on your brain and analysed everyone ever to race! The answer is not cool. You are in fact a proper C**T. The icing on the cake, takes one to know one I would say wouldn't you? I'd rather save one heap, than smash up a wreck, any day of the week. And that is your perogative, I would rather see one smashed to bits myself, that's my perogative as well. By the way, I am a member of the Classic Hearse Register, I like to see them on the road but I also like to see them on the track. BB PS Sorry about going on a bit [/quote]
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reg126, and other banger racers, as I have your attention, what makes you want to smash cars up? I'm completely at a loss? It's damn good fun! But, is banger racing really more competitive as a sport than F1? Don't even try and qualify this, as I don't even want to hear it. I am not an F1 tifosi, by any stretch of the imagination, but this statement is not really serious, is it?! What the hell is the point in asking a question...and then saying that you don't want an answer?! Of course it's competitive, when at some events you can take home over £1000 if you win the meeting final, a system for qualifying for the World Finals, along with other major championships to race for, then yes it's competitive. And yes, I am that old. Or at least I feel it at times like this, as I surely don't understand half of what makes 'modern man' tick.?! Modern man? Banger racing has been going since the 60's and drivers can race at any age...one in my mind called Dicky Dawkins last raced when he was just over 70 years of age I believe. It's nothing to do with modern man.
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Lad, sport is more than a definition. According to your definition bricklaying is a sport... Well done. And the F1 'question? Well, a rhetorical question is usually defined as any question asked for a purpose other than to obtain the information the question asks. For example, "Why are you so stupid?" is likely to be a statement regarding one's opinion of the person addressed, rather than a genuine request to know. Similarly, when someone responds to a tragic event by saying, "Why has my car been stolen and banger raced, God?!" it is more likely to be an accusation or an expression of feeling than a realistic request for information. As for the rest, you keep on coming up with singular examples demonstrating how the scene is something it is not. I think we all know that the cars are not all driven by 70 year old retired policemen and judges , although that I might pay to see. To me it is all still fellas smashing up cars. Call it the world championship of car smashing, the car smashing championship, or whatever you want, it is still car smashing. And despite my lack of comprehension as to why you do it, I would not really want to stop you, as that is not the type of place that I would want to live. It is just the unfortunate part when some of those cars are not good for scrap only or stolen, and even more so those that we either know of and want to own, or in fact do already. BB
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Yesterday at 7:54, pogweasel wrote:
Nothing wrong with creature comforts. If I want masochism, I'll just go and slam my knackers in the fridge door for a bit.
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bstardchild
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I think using offensive terms on either side isn't gonna help
- BB that wasn't nice or needed IMHO and I'm sorry you used the word to describe a person......
There are lots of things in this world I don't understand
- drowning maggots/worms - for me it's "whats that all about?" I do however understand that thousands of people get some real enjoyment from that "Sport" and thats fine by me.
We have had several new people join from the banger racing fraternity and I'm glad they have taken the time to try and explain their views and their passion for their chosen sport or hobby.
I think enough statements have been made that prove we all are united against people who steal and that (from either side of the fence) it could be one of our own disgusts us.....
I think maybe we will have all learnt something about each other and hopefully a bit of cross fertilisation can only benefit us all......
If I've got it all wrong sorry - I have a habit of saying what I think - I don't expect people to agree it's just my thoughts that I wanted to share....
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The irony of being chastised for my use of foul words by someone with a sign-on of bstardchild is not lost on me But, my opinions are my own and I'll stand by them. BB
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Yesterday at 7:54, pogweasel wrote:
Nothing wrong with creature comforts. If I want masochism, I'll just go and slam my knackers in the fridge door for a bit.
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I There are lots of things in this world I don't understand - drowning maggots/worms - for me it's "whats that all about?" I do however understand that thousands of people get some real enjoyment from that "Sport" and thats fine by me. We have had several new people join from the banger racing fraternity and I'm glad they have taken the time to try and explain their views and their passion for their chosen sport or hobby. I think enough statements have been made that prove we all are united against people who steal and that (from either side of the fence) it could be one of our own disgusts us..... I think maybe we will have all learnt something about each other and hopefully a bit of cross fertilisation can only benefit us all...... I'll second that. Though I can see the attraction to the stronger built classics considering the prize money up for grabs at some events.
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bstardchild
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The irony of being chastised for my use of foul words by someone with a sign-on of bstardchild is not lost on me You have a point there ;D But, my opinions are my own and I'll stand by them. BB Opinions fine - insulting or abusive language towards another forum member - not so fine IMO - but free speech is something we still have.
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I don't feel any negative vibes to the Banger Community is helping, do you?
C'mon people, there ARE good Banger Racers out there, and I'm sure they want something done too, I'm sure a bad name for their sport isn't what they'd like to achieve.
The buck HAS to stop somewhere, the demise of these cars in at the track, once they are "raced" they can't be returned to pre accident condition, before that time there is hope, so SURELY the circuit operators should be running some kind of Vehicle ID checks to ensure stolen classics are not raced... its good for them, and good for us, but bitching at it "not being a sport" or neg vibes toward, dare I say it a largely legitimate sporting community is only gonna cause ill feeling and less chance of co-operation.
Sure, you ARE gonna stick up for your own, that's human nature, and we still don't know if the named on the "other" thread is responsible for taking that car and then racing it unknown to its origins, as HoTWire said, it'll come out in the wash, let the police investigate and the courts decide what happens, that is why we've got a legal system in place.
I'd like to see more banger racers on here, offering hard to find parts to us to help us keep our retro's on the road, maybe even offering cars to us that we deem worth salvaging, they are no worse than a breaker, and I personally like breakers, as it means I can keep my cars on the road for a considerably lower cost than new parts, plus the racers are stripping them from the cars for us.
None of us want to see stolen cars stripped and raced, that includes the banger community.
All of us are into cars in some form or another.
Once a car is yours through the correct (read legal) channels, what you do with it is up to you, I'd personally rather see a rotten car stripped of parts to help other classics stay on the road, than sit decaying until it meets the crusher, the only difference is the banger boys give them some beans around the oval before they crush them, and most of the time sell the spares on to us...
I feel for those who have lost a car through theft, and I can't think of anything worse for a petrol head than knowing your classic has been stolen and suffered the fate of being stripped and raced on the oval, but I've NO problem with banger racing, provided they keep it legal and have some kind of regulation.
At the moment, the sport has a problem, we can work with them, or fight them on it, and I doubt the latter will do much to help.
So lets cool the ill feeling and try to help the circuits ID stolen cars and stop them being raced, rather than keep taking chunks out of each others hobby.. Please?
PS, do we have any word on the whereabouts of this car yet?
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Apparently the Datsun was checked by the police on the way out of the race course and was let go.
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Apparently the Datsun was checked by the police on the way out of the race course and was let go. I was under the impression that was a POSITIVE ID on that car? So what about the PC granada, do we have any word on this yet?
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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Apparently the Datsun was checked by the police on the way out of the race course and was let go. Because they didn't know where the VIN plate was (!!!!!) ... I think some calm co-operation would be rather helpful. However it is becoming clear that it will never happen.
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I think it will, a few of us are "trying" to cool things off, I can understand people getting heated, but its not helping...
Seriously, just cos you're not into the same as someone else, doesn't mean a public forum is the place to express it...
As HoTWire says, calm co-operation is needed here if we are to come up with a plan of action.
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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Jun 20, 2006 10:05:13 GMT
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There you go, kids. All lovey dovey, no more foul language... LOL BB
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Yesterday at 7:54, pogweasel wrote:
Nothing wrong with creature comforts. If I want masochism, I'll just go and slam my knackers in the fridge door for a bit.
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Jun 20, 2006 11:05:12 GMT
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That's the thing I've been waiting to hear all the time. Thank you. I'm hoping that the next time the racer in question turns up at a meeting the decent majority (everyone except him hopefully) will have something to say about the damage he has done to their hobby. You don't need people like that, and nor do we. To all the banger racers who have joined the forum and posted their comments, thank you. I couldn't have put it better myself
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Jun 20, 2006 16:43:17 GMT
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I do hope the Mk1 Granny does turn in condition it was, as it looks aboutsley mint but can't see it sadley . It probably just end up getting weighed in or tourched to cover the tracks that it had ever been stolen. On another note i know a Mk1 Granny saloon racing sunday thats painted yellow comes from Bourmouth area. No doubt some of you will add 1 and 1 together and get 5 with above comment though. Btw Well done BB , indeed bricklaying is a sport!, there even a world championship in it. Some prove of this can be found here
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Last Edit: Jun 20, 2006 16:44:19 GMT by alex2
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Jun 20, 2006 17:18:49 GMT
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everywhere i've seen this topic mentioned on the internet you get the same breathless whining guff from these banger boys:
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I've only seen one person (on here) even acknowledge that Cibis car 'may have been' stolen for racing. As for this granada, i'd bet £50 on it turning up at the oval, however so many do that it is unlikely to be id'd. These lot don't even recognise the need for any precautions to stop cars getting nicked for racing, so the chances of any getting implemented are nil. Head in the sand and all that. Accordingly I intend to continue to diss banger racers at will, i will stop when I think there is an acknowlegement that this does happen, and that the 180B SSS thread isn't a total fabrication.
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