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Oct 29, 2006 20:01:13 GMT
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The story I heard was that it was stolen, raced, recovered by Plod & (not surprisingly) written off by the insurers, bought by racers (possibly the same ones who stole it in the first place) & then raced again...... Its one of those urban myths,.. the way I heard it the car was touted around for sale for a while,.. and no one wanted it,.. so it was offered to the VP owners club,.. and no one wanted it. Eventually it was offered cheaply to anyone that wanted it,.. So the dude had one last stab at the owners club before a racer came along and said "I'll have that" and it ended up getting raced... Anyone got the full proper story??
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Smiler
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Oct 29, 2006 20:56:37 GMT
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I can't help thinking that in some cases it is a case of no-one wanting to beleive that someone didn't buy a car to restore/preserve that has ended up being bangered and so to make it seem more comprehendable new reasons for it falling into the racers hands are dreamt up.
However, there is of course the underminding minority of travellers that do obtain cars through diceitful means with promises of restorations/preservations that do end up getting destroyed.
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80mojo
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Oct 29, 2006 23:02:08 GMT
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[insert standard banger stuff] If someone wanted to buy said car, say Winston Churchills car, and restore it or store it they're more than welcome to and I'm sure the banger boys wouldn't stand in their way. Bangerboys seem to just drawl the depths of what nobody else wants, and make one last use of it before it gets crushed anyway and i don't see the problem. I can't think WC's car was sold on the sly, i'm sure it was well publicised and just nobody wanted it. [/insert] Stealing cars to banger though is just absolutely sub-scum level and anybody involved at any level just needs to have their faces removed with a sander and some lemon juice. I don't object to folk banger racing cars that no-one else wants, but in this day and age of disposeable euro-blobs and cars being written off for a dented tailgate (as per my old 8-yr old Vectra) why do these guys want to go out and find cars that other people are keen on keeping and restoring? Even more so, the sport as an organisation actively encouraging it by offering large cash prizes to whoever can destroy the rarest car they can get their hands on? If they were buildings they'd be listed and it'd be a criminal offence.
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Last Edit: Oct 29, 2006 23:02:56 GMT by 80mojo
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Oct 29, 2006 23:43:03 GMT
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The story behind WCs motor (cant remember weather it was a P5 or a vanden plas) was that in very poor condition in storage somewhere and ended up being stolen by gippos who then sold it for top dollars to a banger driver. The police recovered the car and the insurance wrote it off. Said banger driver then bought it back off the insurers and raced it. It was meant to be mega rare as it was a coach built 2 door. Thats the story as I remember it anyway, few years ago now.
Id hasten to add that the banger driver DIDNT know it was stolen and wasnt charged by the police.
Banger drivers get all these lovely rare cars to race as they are often the only people who will turn up with a wad of cash and take the motor away without pulling a face, slagging off the condition of the car and offering half what they were offering.
People have got to accept that while there are people who want to see all old cars restored and preserved there are just as many who would want to see some of the poorest examples raced and destroyed in the name of entertainment. The drivers pay good money for a rare car and spectators pay good money to watch.
Back to the topic(ish) £200 for a MK2 granada?? In my opinion real banger racing is racing nothing that cost more than £40!!
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A chap who is a mate of a mate is a mate of the guys who raced that WC VDP. If thats not a super tenuous connection. What Lankytim says is the correct official version of the story.
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Oct 31, 2006 16:27:12 GMT
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I could go on for ages, but I wont to all those that say its terrible that banger racers get all these classics to race, some of the cars have been in banger drivers hands for years, some are bought through the classic car mags, and some off ebay. money makes the world go round and if the money is there to pay for a car then surely the purchaser can do whatever the f### he wants with it, even if that means supplying the classic car world with spares after the cars been stripped. if it realy is so bad that the cars are raced, why the hell don't YOU do something about it and buy the cars! ill stop there otherwise ill go on and on and on.................. that said nicking cars is sh!t
incidently there is currently a very rare and extreemly rotton farina (of some sort) estate which has just been passed on to a banger racer from another driver who has had the car for years. when the car gets raced the pictures may or may not end up on here, either way if any of you lot knew what it was you would probably be physicly sick, but thats the way it is.
I'm off to ENJOY my classics, wether it be mint or smashed to pieces.
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Last Edit: Oct 31, 2006 17:27:18 GMT by bmcnut
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JC
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why the hell don't YOU do something about it and buy the cars! that would be good, but sadly not very practical, with many types of classic there are still many more cars than "enthusiasts" (god i hate that word, makes us sound like tweed jacket, flat cap wearing, pipe smoking old men) so it would be difficult to buy them all up. and it seems like most people on here have more cars than they know what to do with!
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Thats the dealy. So there should be plenty of cars to go round to keep everybody happy without people having to resort to stealing them....
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Thats the dealy. So there should be plenty of cars to go round to keep everybody happy without people having to resort to stealing them.... Which most banger racers don't... Didn't we have this conversation before?
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why the hell don't YOU do something about it and buy the cars! that would be good, but sadly not very practical, exactly! its not like theres a shortage of cars for sale, allsorts of cars in all sorts of conditions, so the fact that so many have been raced is neither here nor there.
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80mojo
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I could go on for ages, but I wont to all those that say its terrible that banger racers get all these classics to race, some of the cars have been in banger drivers hands for years, some are bought through the classic car mags, and some off ebay. money makes the world go round and if the money is there to pay for a car then surely the purchaser can do whatever the f### he wants with it, even if that means supplying the classic car world with spares after the cars been stripped. if it realy is so bad that the cars are raced, why the hell don't YOU do something about it and buy the cars! ill stop there otherwise ill go on and on and on.................. that said nicking cars is sh!t incidently there is currently a very rare and extreemly rotton farina (of some sort) estate which has just been passed on to a banger racer from another driver who has had the car for years. when the car gets raced the pictures may or may not end up on here, either way if any of you lot knew what it was you would probably be physicly sick, but thats the way it is. I'm off to ENJOY my classics, wether it be mint or smashed to pieces. Think you missed my point. Didn't intend to imply that all banger racers are thieving b*******, but I don't see why the banger racing fraternity feel the need to encourage the destruction of rare old cars when it would be easier and cheaper to use cars about 10 yrs old that are written off for minor damage (stolen/recovered, bent door etc). There's 1000's of these about now due to the high cost of repairs and the "throw away" culture we now live in. I'm looking a few years down the line when there aren't enough cars to go around and repairabe classics are thin on the ground. As for doing my bit. 2 Manta's, 3 Monza's (may be 4 soon), Saab 99T, hopefully MkI Carlton, Moogy Van. How's that?
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its neither cheaper or easier to use 10 year old cars. ANY car that uses injection or any sort of electric wizardry is harder to prep, and older classics are more proffit bearing once they are stripped. Anyhow, old cars bend better! Ive been into classics for 27 years having been pulled around the shows by my dad, who is an ex racer him self. Ive also been into banger racing for 7 years or so and ive got a very good understanding on how both sides work, I see things from both sides of the fence and the only way many old classics have been saved is by the spares that have been removed from cars that are raced. In my eyes there is no problem with 60's and 70's cars being raced if there is no one to buy them, which ther isnt. if there was then they wouldnt be being raced would there!
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Last Edit: Nov 3, 2006 18:26:56 GMT by bmcnut
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In my eyes there is no problem with 60's and 70's cars being raced if there is no one to buy them, which ther isnt. if there was then they wouldnt be being raced would there! Well, for every banger racer that wins something interesting on Ebay to smash to bits, there will be someone else who wanted it also (and who may well have wanted to do something constructive with it), who bid £5 less than him. End of the day, if you own it you can do whatever you like with it, thats fair enough. Just a shame that folk enjoy taking rare old stuff that has survived against the odds far longer than it was designed to and far longer than the vast majority of its ilk, and take such pride in mullering the sh*t out of of it for fun.
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twigzy
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mr plums talkin just that again, put some of your cars on ebay, id bid just to upset you
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mr plums talkin just that again, put some of your cars on ebay, id bid just to upset you and therein lies the problem mate. It seems to me you guys only do it ( in part ) to upset others. Which is a mentality I will NEVER understand. YES there are old cars that people don't seem to want to buy, but most of the time they end up getting raced because the banger racer got there first, usually with a cheery smile and " HA HA " i've got something nice and rare to ruin .... again, I don't understand. and when all the rare stuff is all gone, smashed into oblivion, how can you possibly feel a sense of pride ?? shall we get this thread back on topic ?? Why has the seller added that its for racing only I wonder ?
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Last Edit: Nov 4, 2006 9:16:26 GMT by Thrasher
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The story behind WCs motor (cant remember weather it was a P5 or a vanden plas) was that in very poor condition in storage somewhere and ended up being stolen by gippos who then sold it for top dollars to a banger driver. The police recovered the car and the insurance wrote it off. Said banger driver then bought it back off the insurers and raced it. It was meant to be mega rare as it was a coach built 2 door. Thats the story as I remember it anyway, few years ago now. Id hasten to add that the banger driver DIDNT know it was stolen and wasnt charged by the police. Hang on...A group of gyppos turn up with a car like that and no questions are asked? "Yeah we've had in storage for ages, finally want rid of it? The locks? They've always been like that...Lost the V5, yeah...took it in payment for doing a shonky driveway...Pass the hedgehog." *n
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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As for doing my bit. 2 Manta's, 3 Monza's (may be 4 soon), Saab 99T, hopefully MkI Carlton, Moogy Van. How's that? Ooh, tell me more about the Saab
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mr plums talkin just that again, put some of your cars on ebay, id bid just to upset you What a surprise indeed. I notice that i have found myself bidding against you once or twice already actually, i.e. on that alfa arna. Did you want that or were you just bumping the price up to annoy me because of my anti-banger stance? Actually let me guess.
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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80mojo
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As for doing my bit. 2 Manta's, 3 Monza's (may be 4 soon), Saab 99T, hopefully MkI Carlton, Moogy Van. How's that? Ooh, tell me more about the Saab Have posted it up here. Sadly the pics on the sale seem to have dissappeared . Needs a little lovin though! retrorides.proboards86.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=readersrides&thread=1162644049&page=1Back to subject again (sort of).... I didn't mean to reignite the old "classic Vs banger" debate. I have no qualm with cars that no-one wants being banger raced. What I don't understand, and still hasn't been answered is why get the buzz out of destroying something rare or historical? I can't see the satisfaction of it and even if there is, it's only a short term buzz until the next week when there's something else rare being smashed up and lost forever. If banger racers want to have a race and smash up a car in the process, fine. There's plenty of stuff out there to choose from, but there's not an endless supply of cars that people are enthusiasts about. Unlike Mundano's, Vectra's etc. The banger racing fraternity as a whole are putting themselves across as a plague of locusts, scouring the country and sucking up all the cars that people genuinely want to save.
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Last Edit: Nov 4, 2006 13:00:09 GMT by 80mojo
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We've been over this a number of times already... thread lock.
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Last Edit: Nov 4, 2006 13:08:41 GMT by HoTWire
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