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Aye, indeed, 200BHP is a pittance these days and pretty much anything half decent can do sub 15 second quarters. i don't think it is to be honest, a new golf gti has nearly 200bhp and about the same torque as me yeah i agree, but its nearly 200kilos heavier than my (hardly lightweight) cortina and almost a second slower to 60mph, its about 10mph faster at the top end but mine hits the redline in top at the mo. I think that modern cars ARE a lot faster than they used to be so its harder to keep up with what used to work "back in the old days" but car nuts have always stuck bigger, newer engines in old cars to go fast, i like the 2 litre duratec lump, lighter than an old ford x flow yet capable of making 190bhp with bolt on bits and an aftermarket ecu, fit one of them buggers in an anglia and see it fly even before you start changing cams etc. If you wanna keep up (i know its not important to everyone) you gotta move on.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Oh yea, for sure - something light (or lighter!) with 200BHP still has the potential to be a very quick car - like my Dolly with the 3.5 - just more of a general observation that power outputs are considerably higher and more potent than in previous years (as you'd no doubt expect). Had a similar conversation with my uncle recently and we were talking about outputs from our desired engines and he was of the opinion that 300, even 400 was 'commonplace' these days and you need to be into the 600s to shine out a little Nothin' like......more ;D Of course, actually being able to use it is a whole different thing. Fellow club member had a 600BHP blown C4, when wound down to more like 350 it was actually much faster on the street due to being able to put it down and utilise it in gear.
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Last Edit: Aug 5, 2008 23:12:29 GMT by Lewis
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yeah i was out in the rain in mine today, snaking up the A127 at 70mph off the blocked off roundabout while trying to stay in front of a 5 series was, um, exhilarating. got so much work to do on my suspension before i can add more power. lol
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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pirate
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i think its worse when you've had some powerful cars that could kill the competition, only you sold it and bought a slow ass 25 year old cruiser haha. i often hear myself sayin to audi owners (if i still had my impreza i would kick your ass) as the valves start bouncing at 5000rpm, or the seasons change whilst your waiting to change the ultra long legged gearbox for the next instalment of oil burning wheel bearing crushing, wheel wobbling 50bhp per ton "its cool cus its retro" motor.
ah well, its evolution. if pushed i can still suprise a few ppl in my "old bangers" its not all the car lol
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persistant retro offender. 04 laguna load lugger alfa 159 lusso beast 82 austin allegro 82 mg metro
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just wish my engine was in the car.then i can go out and scare myself chasing evos and suchlike.
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Aye, indeed, 200BHP is a pittance these days and pretty much anything half decent can do sub 15 second quarters. I don't think it is to be honest, a new golf gti has nearly 200bhp and about the same torque as me yeah I agree, but its nearly 200kilos heavier than my (hardly lightweight) cortina and almost a second slower to 60mph, its about 10mph faster at the top end but mine hits the redline in top at the mo. I think that modern cars ARE a lot faster than they used to be so its harder to keep up with what used to work "back in the old days" but car nuts have always stuck bigger, newer engines in old cars to go fast, I like the 2 litre duratec lump, lighter than an old ford x flow yet capable of making 190bhp with bolt on bits and an aftermarket ecu, fit one of them buggers in an anglia and see it fly even before you start changing cams etc. If you wanna keep up (i know its not important to everyone) you gotta move on. Well, 200bhp was the starting point, not the end, and a Golf V GTi 30 weighs 1336 kilo compared to the Celicas 1430 (that would be the weight of the very chunky 4wd). I guess in the end, the Golf etc would have better acceleration and maybe handling, but the GT4 would stay with it through sheer grip whilst rolling. You know, I wish in the end, I had got a low mileage import engine put in, instead of selling on. Everything else was spot on.
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Whenever I'm gettin' beat, I just sit there snug in the knowledge that on my driveway is a car that could absolutely muller it. Not much beats an Impreza STi away from the lights!
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1997 TVR Chimaera 2009 Westfield Megabusa
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Surely thats cheating a little as you can't drive the Subaru?
If you want to win there are two tricks.
1/ Race someone who isn't racing you.
2/ Choose your opponent well (i.e. Corsa 1.2 )
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JasonB
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I know warp speed and acceleration isn't to everyone's taste but if it is then the Imprezzas and Evo's deserve some kind of award. If you go back to the older ones they are cheap(ish) to buy, have over 200hp as stock and thanks to being turbo'd and catered for by a massive aftermarket industry can put out double that with a bit of reliability. Admittedly when you get to ECU re-programming it's hardly the work of DIYers but for speed / cost then they ain't too shoddy. We're all different ages but for my motoring youth getting my X-flow up to 120hp was a good achievement, then I heard about 170hp pinto escorts & capris and thought they must fly. Different model /maker engine swaps seemed to be less common then. I wonder where the quest for speed will take us in the near future? The ingenuity of car people never fails to impress me so I hope there's some good stuff on the way. Just wonder how long it will be before people start shoving the torque monster diesel lumps into different things.
JB
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stealthstylz
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I think having a slow first car taught me to drive faster. Any chump can go fast in a straight line, but when you're in a slow car the corners are much more important. I often play the 60mph challenge on the local N/S/L lanes. Plan a route and get the distance on google maps, then try and average 60mph down it. On the road from my mum and dads to wakefield I can average 73mph in the Uno. Get left for dead by anything when I get to the dual carriageway at the end but thats not the point.
Matt
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My car is 19 years old, made of reconstituted parts, is fitted with child seats, a dog-guard and a towbar.
So being able to pan most motors away from the lights is pleasing (0-60 is about 7 secs). Obviously against exotica or chaviots like Impreza's, there's no hope. But whooping some rep in a Passat is pleasing.
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bstardchild
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The "old school" tech does have it's appeal mind - and I know why - but a properly designed EFi system is superior in every single way. Fuel injection does everything right - it improves driveability, makes more torque, widens your power band, prevents cold-start problems, reduces emissions, and improves your economy. You can make maximum power and drive the car every day - so it's well worth it! Everything except the noise - but I do agree ;D
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individual throttle bodies make almost the same noise as carbs, they still suck air in the same way.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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harris66
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drive it, break it, fix it and make it quicker!
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don't be scared of progress chaps, embrace it! as was said above, modern engine in old light car. my pal who is on here somewhere has now ditched the idea of an old school screamer in his tube frame vive and now has a skyline engine and box ready to go in
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Last Edit: Aug 6, 2008 9:23:34 GMT by harris66
1.2 corsa daily, 1.8t a4 avante, 6.3ltr austin a40....
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Its not about Power...... Its about Power to weight Ratio 100hp/ton is good fun 200hp/ton is quick 300hp/ton is very quick I`ll take 250hp from a modern supercharged engine on full management and 800kg of 70`s rwd hatch the physically smaller size helps in conserving momentum cross country as you don't have to slow down as much for narrow sections ;D Look at it this way A Mk5 Golf GTI weighs nigh on the same as 2 Mk1 GTI`s So 200hp in the new one is not going to feel as fast as the 130hp in the Mk1 with half the weight , the difference is in the comfort and ease of the new ones...... But you do end up very isolated from what the car is doing...... Old car, modern powerplant is definately the way to go ;D My next one will probably be powered by a modern Turbo diesel too......... 800Nm of torque sir ..... lovely Stacklight merc with a sprinter TDI motor in it would be the nuts ;D Or a Mk2 Jag with the Lion V6 Tdi and Autobox from the s-type..... ( the new V8 Lion wiould be too much )
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Seth
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Stacklight merc with a sprinter TDI motor in it would be the nuts ;D Hurry up and finish the goddam kadett!
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Last Edit: Aug 6, 2008 10:01:58 GMT by Seth
Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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Stacklight merc with a sprinter TDI motor in it would be the nuts ;D Hurry up and finish the goddam kadett! Not going to be done anytime soon fella Far too busy and too far away from it with work...... Oh and having too much fun on 2 wheels to even think about getting filthy dirty working on it even if I did have the time Just not feeling the love for it at all hence why it is parked in the barn with nothing done for the last 3 months
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Filthyjohn
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Power to weight FTW, a 350Z for example is 200hp/tonne, scoobies/evos around the same. A modern injected lump in most of our cars would give this sort of figure, so all you'd have to do is make sure you can get the power down. A pal's 205 was running a proven 159bhp with a bike carbed 1.9 and used to absolutely crush civic typeR's (there are loads of them round here), and wasn't a long way off keeping up with those J 4wd benchmarks.
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'95 Volvo 945 Turbo
'87 Volvo 765 TIC
'75 Opel Manta A 2.0 16v,
'86 Volvo 360 turbo,
'62 amazon,
'67 MGB GT.
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JasonB
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Its not about Power...... Its about Power to weight Ratio Very true there, and a modern motor in an old car is the best way to achieve this. A tidy, nice looking old shell with no crumple zones, impact bars etc without all the 'extras' that have crept onto even the most basic models in the last few years would be grand. My next one will probably be powered by a modern Turbo diesel too......... 800Nm of torque sir ..... lovely Stacklight merc with a sprinter TDI motor in it would be the nuts ;D Or a Mk2 Jag with the Lion V6 Tdi and Autobox from the s-type..... ( the new V8 Lion wiould be too much ) Now those are a pair I would love to see. The Merc W114/5 with a modern 2.5TD is a day dream build I ponder over a lot these days. JB
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1977 Kawasaki Z650 1983 Ford Fiesta (Project) 1985 Kawasaki GPz900R 1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo
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mines just under 200bhp per ton and its mahoosive amounts of fun, on a light throttle it does 30mpg too.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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