stwat
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They are ok if you take it easy. They are V VC engines so not really trying until you hit 4k, then they scream and go like crazy. Rated at 230 without a cat and 240 on high octane fuel. I had one and it was a brilliant car. The cylinder head was designed by Cosworth, has double valve springs and revs to 7k. No I'm not confusing it with the 190. Err, yes you are confusing it. Cosworth had nothing at all to do with the the engines in this or any other twin cam mercedes apart from the 190 16v. The only only engine that Cosworth had anything to do with was the M102 190E 16v. They designed the cylinder head and upgraded the engine internals of the 2.3 M102 engine to cope with the extra BHP from the original 2.3-16 which was 320BHP. The road going cars were detuned to 185 by having less aggressive cams and replacing the kugelfischer fuel injection system with the Bosch KE Jet injection system. Thats just a brief and scant over view as I cant be arsed to go into detail. It would take all night LOL. Basically, Cosworth had nothing whatsoever to do with any other Mercedes twin cam engine after the 190e 16v. And certainly never had anything to do with the 6 cylinder engines!!
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Last Edit: Aug 16, 2009 3:04:45 GMT by stwat
1992 190E 1.8 manual
1989 300SE Low mileage LuxoBarge
1988 190e 2.6. 1988 190 2.3-16 Cosworth
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Aug 16, 2009 10:03:10 GMT
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The car came to me on it's original 15 hole 15" sport chassis wheels. The tires on them were pretty much finished so I swapped on the 16" rims from my wife's 190e (like these) but they just don't suit the car, and besides I've had two flat tyres in the last two months. While I like the look of the original wheels, I feel that on a car this size they just don't fill the wheel arches properly. I've been looking at other Mercedes rims and I'm trying to decide between a couple of sets. These ones are off of a 300 SL they are the same design as the originals but in a 16" x 8" rims. cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110421745333&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:ITOr a set of AMG rims 17" X 8" s14.zetaboards.com/mercedes_190_club/topic/6577560/1/#newI'm leaning towards the SL rims since they will look stock to most people. I'm also willing to consider other Merc rims if anyone has any bright ideas. Basically I'm looking for your suggestions and advice. These are fantastic cars......they always remind me of something really really rich people who don't give a toss about keeping up with the joneses drive! Be careful with SL rims on yours as I'm sure the offsets are different. I had a set of these from a 90s SL600 on my E260 many years ago And the tyres rubbed the struts......I cured this however by fitting narrower tyres ( thus inadvertently inventing stretch!!! ) I must admit though that it looked ace
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Nov 21, 2009 17:09:06 GMT
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I picked up a set of late model Merc Wheels on eBay complete with a brand new set of Michelin Tyres mounted. Not even sure what model the rims are from but they seem to suit it.
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Last Edit: Nov 21, 2009 17:14:24 GMT by mrabody
1995 Range Rover 4.0 1995 BMW 320i Saloon 1989 BMW 325i Touring 1991 Mercedes 300TE-24 1991 Mercedes 190e 1970 Sunbeam Imp Sport
1966 Valiant 200 Custom 1964 Ford Fairlane 500 Station Wagon
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Nov 21, 2009 17:32:08 GMT
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I've also sorted out the ignition. Earlier this year I purchased of replacement plug leads, but they fit very poorly (this was the second set I purchased - the first, from GSF were such poor quality that the car wouldn't even start). So I decided to go with a set from Magnecor who have a reputation for good quality. The only problem was, that Magnecor made leads for pretty much every Mercedes you could think of - except the 3.0 24v engine.
However, they were happy to work with me to design a set of leads to fit my engine and after a bit of emailing and a few phone calls I had a brand new set of leads.
The only problem was that once fitted, my car developed a fairly serious miss. Phil, the MD at Magnecor thought that it might be the case thay my ignition coil was weak so I replaced that with a new one, which seemingly gave the car a little more power, but didn't cure the miss.
After further investigation I discovered that the (then new) distributor cap and roter that I had put on the car last year were already worn out. After replacing them, the car is finally running better than ever. It definitely feels much stronger, especially at part throttle and in the middle of the RPM range, and I even think the fuel economy has picked up a bit.
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Last Edit: Jan 29, 2011 19:04:45 GMT by mrabody
1995 Range Rover 4.0 1995 BMW 320i Saloon 1989 BMW 325i Touring 1991 Mercedes 300TE-24 1991 Mercedes 190e 1970 Sunbeam Imp Sport
1966 Valiant 200 Custom 1964 Ford Fairlane 500 Station Wagon
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Nov 21, 2009 20:36:25 GMT
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Sorry, no confusion about Cosworth designing the cylinder head, they just didnt slap a Cossy badge on it.
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Nov 21, 2009 22:26:09 GMT
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Sorry, no confusion about Cosworth designing the cylinder head, they just didnt slap a Cossy badge on it. I suspect that Cosworth didn't design the M104 head itself, but that Mercedes took the basic Cosworth Design from the M102 and adapted it to the 6cyl and also to the later 4cyl motors.
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1995 Range Rover 4.0 1995 BMW 320i Saloon 1989 BMW 325i Touring 1991 Mercedes 300TE-24 1991 Mercedes 190e 1970 Sunbeam Imp Sport
1966 Valiant 200 Custom 1964 Ford Fairlane 500 Station Wagon
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Jan 27, 2011 10:44:42 GMT
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Update
The car was in for an MOT last week and failed on a broken front spring. I've had both fronts replaced and I eagerly await collection later today.
Due to a new business start up I've spent/done little to the car this past year, so I was pleasanly surprised that that it only failed on one item.
Over the next few months I'm hoping to start giving it a bit of the TLC that it deserves.
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1995 Range Rover 4.0 1995 BMW 320i Saloon 1989 BMW 325i Touring 1991 Mercedes 300TE-24 1991 Mercedes 190e 1970 Sunbeam Imp Sport
1966 Valiant 200 Custom 1964 Ford Fairlane 500 Station Wagon
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I've been really busy this past year with two new business ventures and haven't had much time for the old girl (or any of my other cars). However a collapsed transmission mount did need tending to, and we had enough of a respite from the cold weather yesterday that I could get out and swap in the new one. Yup, definitely time for a replacement. I've also got some more modifications to the car planned for the coming weeks.
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1995 Range Rover 4.0 1995 BMW 320i Saloon 1989 BMW 325i Touring 1991 Mercedes 300TE-24 1991 Mercedes 190e 1970 Sunbeam Imp Sport
1966 Valiant 200 Custom 1964 Ford Fairlane 500 Station Wagon
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Cool car those, and they go like the clappers!
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1988 Mercedes w124 superturbo diesel 508hp 1996 Mercedes s124 e300 diesel wagon 1990 BMW E30 V8 M60 powered! 1999 BMW E46 323ci project car
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Cool car those, and they go like the clappers! Yeah, but for such a heavy car, it would have been better if Mercedes ahd tuned it for mid-range torque rather than top end power (they did that in the 3.2 and 2.8 M104s and by all accounts they cars are better for it). Nothing that a little tuning won't be able to take care of in the future though.
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1995 Range Rover 4.0 1995 BMW 320i Saloon 1989 BMW 325i Touring 1991 Mercedes 300TE-24 1991 Mercedes 190e 1970 Sunbeam Imp Sport
1966 Valiant 200 Custom 1964 Ford Fairlane 500 Station Wagon
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May 26, 2012 14:47:11 GMT
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On Easter Sunday, while travelling to the hospital to pick up our latest addition I did this: All my fault - lack of sleep two nights running and just the general excitement of it all and I didn't notice the car in front of me had stopped. Unfortunately the damage is more than just cosmetic - the slam panel has been pushed back pushing the radiator into the fan so my insurers are will be writing it off. However, they're letting me buy it back so I will get it sorted out and on the road again.
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Last Edit: May 26, 2012 14:48:22 GMT by mrabody
1995 Range Rover 4.0 1995 BMW 320i Saloon 1989 BMW 325i Touring 1991 Mercedes 300TE-24 1991 Mercedes 190e 1970 Sunbeam Imp Sport
1966 Valiant 200 Custom 1964 Ford Fairlane 500 Station Wagon
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Jun 18, 2012 16:15:24 GMT
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I've rented a lockup, and got stuck in disassembling the car. The car was leaking coolant and I assumed the radiator had been damaged; amazingly the radiator is fine as is the AC condenser - the leak is from a split radiator hose, so I'm spared that expense. Anyways, some photos of the damage and disassembly. The bumper mount/support has taken a bit of a hit - however I expect it should pull out without any nasty surprises. Behind it the radiator support has been pushed in and peeled away from the frame rail a little. Again I think it should be able to be straightened with little drama. The slam panel has been bent pretty badly. Luckily replacement ones are cheap. I found a fair amount of grot in the lower rad support (the tubular piece), so while the car is being repair I'll get this repaird/replaced. The nearside wing was slightly buckled in the accident. It had already rusted through in front of the wheel arch (a known grot spot on these cars) so now's a great opportunity to replace it. I've also removed the offside wing which was beginning to bubble a bit; however it may be saveable so we'll have to see about it. Since the whole front of the car is going to need to be repainted anyways (pajett red being a pretty uncommon colour, I ain't likely to find replacement panels that match), I'm going to take the opportunity to have a few other blemishes rectified. So far the only serious rust I've found is the rear nearside jacking point (offside looks a bit crusty but might get away with a clean up). I had my doubts as to whether it would fit into the lockup, but it does - just. Good thing I went with a W124 and not a W126 or W140!
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1995 Range Rover 4.0 1995 BMW 320i Saloon 1989 BMW 325i Touring 1991 Mercedes 300TE-24 1991 Mercedes 190e 1970 Sunbeam Imp Sport
1966 Valiant 200 Custom 1964 Ford Fairlane 500 Station Wagon
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Oct 13, 2012 20:49:59 GMT
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Any progress on the beast?
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1988 Mercedes w124 superturbo diesel 508hp 1996 Mercedes s124 e300 diesel wagon 1990 BMW E30 V8 M60 powered! 1999 BMW E46 323ci project car
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Well with the sudden appearance of two other 300TE-24s in the past week,I thought I had better provide an update about mine. The car has been sitting in a lockup for nearly two years now as I've been too busy and too broke to really do much with it. However, I have managed to obtain some parts including a grille, two rust-free wings, the filler panels that fit between the headlights and the bumper, a good radiator (mine was getting kinda rotten) twin electric fans (mine never worked in the first place and an AC condensor. I also managed to pick up a low-mileage 722.5 transmission as I suspect mine is not long for this world.
Truthfully the car needs a good deal more than just the body repairs carried out. The engine leaks oil like a seive, as previously mentioned the transmission probably only has a few thousand miles left in it (chunks of band/clutch plate in the transmission sump when I last changed the ATF), the flexible rubber propshaft coupling is disintegrated, no doubt due to be being drenched in engine oil, and the nearside ball joint squeaks which is a prelude to disaster. On that last point the 24v cars were equipped with larger brakes than garden-variety W124s. Due to clearance issues, the standard wishbone with a press-in ball joint was replaced in favour of a wishbone with a welded in balljoint. Unfortunately these cause around £250+ per side from Mercedes. Thats just no on, and once I get the car home from the lockup I'll show you all my cunning plan that will see this problem sorted for considerably less.
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1995 Range Rover 4.0 1995 BMW 320i Saloon 1989 BMW 325i Touring 1991 Mercedes 300TE-24 1991 Mercedes 190e 1970 Sunbeam Imp Sport
1966 Valiant 200 Custom 1964 Ford Fairlane 500 Station Wagon
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The 5 speed auto is supposed to be amazing when it works, but they are definitely not as durable as the 4 speed.
My specialist told me that the pattern wishbones are not a patch on the genuine article and it was worth paying the extra. If you don't want to pay Mercedes prices for it then source one from Febi Bilstein, who apparently are the OEM supplier.
The oil leaks will be head gasket if leaking from the back, the timing cover if leaking from the front, or the camshaft cover seal. or all 3. The cam cover is magnesium alloy and can deteriorate and warp over time, which exacerbates any leaks. The timing cover is easy enough to do, but it's very easy to install it wrong, and not solve the leak problem. I found it cheap enough to pay someone else to do both that and the camshaft cover seals.
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Right up my street, best of luck with the work. I'd offer to help if you weren't at the other end of the country...
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