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This is opening a can of worms but... I am looking to fit a different engine into my 2 door Triumph Toledo. It currently has a Sprint engine but it is too fragile. I want a reliable 200bhp at minimal cost. The Vauxhall XE has been put in to a Toledo successfully but what other options are there? Zetecs seem cheap to buy but expensive to tune. Likewise the K series. Any other better options?
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IDY
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The Cosworth V6 from the Granada has just under 200bhp as standard, it is also pretty cheap. Downside is that is quite a heavy lump and it is quite wide.
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I will get round to finishing it at some point
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nissan rb20det from the r32 nissan skyline, that should be putting out over 200bhp or be close to it and dare say it'd fit in a toledo
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CA18DET from a nissan S13 (used to be able to pick up a car for nothing but are now subject to drift tax) - about 180bhp as standard, easily tuned to 200+ or an SR20DET from an S14 comes with 200bhp.
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dubwarrior2
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In the last 7 or 8 copies of Practical performance car they have been building a 2.3 litre Saab turbo engine to go into their mk2 Escort project. They did a fetaure on the engines and reckon that they are good for almost 400bhp with very little work. Plus they bolt up to Vauxhall geraboxes so you could use one from a Carlton, omega or senator.
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Volvo T5?, Lexus? BMW?
Also, I wonder if there's a potential to bolt a SAAB lump to your current gearbox?
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Last Edit: Mar 10, 2009 7:23:17 GMT by rmad
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wasnt the Saab a development of the Triumph engine? might be the easiest to fit
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What makes you assume it's too fragile? Looked after it should go on without issue I mean, take Trackerjack (Jon's) Sprint - he thrashes the guts out of it and it only gave up after more than 2500 miles at the redline on track!
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I've covered this in some detail before too, on the TDC forum - don't forget you can search on there It's somewhat down to how much money, time, effort and skill you're willing to plough in. Anything, within reason, can be made to fit - and sometimes quite cheaply! forum.triumphdolomite.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5198&hilit=forum.triumphdolomite.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5468&hilit=forum.triumphdolomite.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=109&hilit=forum.triumphdolomite.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=529&hilit=forum.triumphdolomite.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=830&hilit=Some of my previous musings: A lot of work and engineering is required to fit in anything larger than a four pot though, or something with a V, mind - sumps, cooling, exhausts, engine placement and ancilleries all have to be thought through and if not done properly, will ruin it. Also - Anything with considerably more power than standard you will have to take into account the effects on the rest of the powertrain, the shell, suspension, brakes and so on. Duratec & Zetecs, Vauxhall 16 valvers, are good candidates due to the fact they're 'well covered ground' by conversion standards, with many Fords & Kit cars running them - so consequently parts for gearbox conversion and installation are availiable off the shelf (although modification will still be required in areas). Duratecs make a nice stack of torque too.....quite tall engines, mind.
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Last Edit: Mar 10, 2009 9:27:13 GMT by Lewis
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The Mondeo Duratec is a good engine, very light as well, popular with the caterham boys as its common, fairly cheap, easy to get parts for and strong and reliable and weighs less than an old ford xflow. its tallish though, bolts onto an alloy MX5 gearbox, its what i'd choose to keep the weight down if i was building a small light car.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Mar 10, 2009 10:18:55 GMT
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What makes you assume it's too fragile? Looked after it should go on without issue Hi Lewis, I know I shouldn't be too quick to judge the engine but it does have a somewhat chequered reputation. Also, a lot of buck to get around 200bhp and I do want more power. I have had car 2 weeks and the water pump has gone, £200 for a new one. I just don't want to start paying out lots of money to keep an engine running where I can get something more reliable that will not make me feel nervous about some sort of failure. Saab Turbo engines are quite interesting as there is a lineage to the Triumph engine....
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Mar 10, 2009 10:25:40 GMT
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Peugeot XU9J4 engine with an LDV Pilot bellhousing. Go over 200 BHP with ease with a set of throttle bodies. But as you've said, my opinion isn't important, is it.
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Mar 10, 2009 10:31:25 GMT
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What about the Rover T16? It's based on the same block as the 'O' series and Perkins Prima.
If you use a bellhousing from a Prima-equipped Sherpa van, it'll bolt to a LT77 5-speed. If you use a bellhousing from an 'O' series Marina/Ital, it may well bolt to a Sprint box (assuming that it'll be up to the job). Best of all, they're available far cheaper than the other options, and sorta keeps it in the family.
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Mar 10, 2009 11:14:41 GMT
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Volvo redblock and Volvo M90 gearbox as found in 700/900 turbos? 14psi on the tiny stock Mitsubishi 13c can give about 190bhp, replace that with a 16T or 19T from a FWD turbo Volvo and reclock it to rwd orientation, job done.
Get a late block with oil quirters and thicker conrods from about late 1993 onwards, nice and cheap too.
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Mar 10, 2009 11:59:39 GMT
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turbo or n/a?
turbo then i'd be looking at 4-AGE or something similarly light like the yamaha zetec.
none turbo then 200bhp would be quite expensive for most of the run of the mill 2.0 16v's, you're better off going for something like the ST170 zetec, duratec, or the S2000 engine. that would be the most cost effective way really.....
then theres the bigger engines, cosworth 24v is an amazing engine, but theres a whole ocean of v6's that would work well, omega engine, in fact i'd like to see if anything could be done with the VR6 engine mounted longtidudily
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Mar 10, 2009 13:06:52 GMT
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I'd go with a Nissan CA18DET. They make 167bhp stock and with some simple scrap yard mods can so easily break 200bhp. The bottom ends are only weak if they've never been maintained properly - I think the curse word dipstick has led to people believing there full of oil when they're not.
I don't see the point of using an RB20, when you can go 25% better with the RB25 as a starting ground. Although that said, I'd never use one as the old CA can provide enough power if you want it.
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Mar 10, 2009 13:23:04 GMT
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if weight is a consideration, an alloy RV8 would seem an obvious choice, very tunable, parts all still available. The cosworth and the XE have limited spares off the shelf, not sure about japanese engines ( as i know very little about them) but spares availablity also seem to be a problem
if you want 200BHP from standard then the choices are fewer, how much work and fettling are you prepared to do?
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Someone just shot the elephant in the room.
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Mar 10, 2009 14:32:00 GMT
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Rover T16 turbo is what came to mind when I saw the thread title. As already mentioned, you can buy a decent whole car for a few hundred notes, it will bolt to an O series bellhousing, and they make 200bhp out of the box. Only your wallet will limit how much power you can get out of one as well, they've been tuned up to about 800bhp.
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Mar 10, 2009 18:02:42 GMT
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if weight is a consideration, an alloy RV8 would seem an obvious choice, very tunable, parts all still available. The cosworth and the XE have limited spares off the shelf, not sure about japanese engines ( as I know very little about them) but spares availablity also seem to be a problem if you want 200BHP from standard then the choices are fewer, how much work and fettling are you prepared to do? Weight is a consideration yes, that is one of the reason I am not 100% on XE, a bit heavy. I do not want to have to do much fettling at all. If an engine needs head work, forged pistons etc. to make it reliable at 200bhp I would be less interested. My old man had an 800 Vitesse with the T series Turbo, seems like an option. They're pretty weighty though aren't they?
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Mar 10, 2009 19:08:10 GMT
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rover V8 isnt that light, its light compared to other V8's but still bloody heavy compared to something like a Duratec 4 pot.
If your happy to go to T/B's and MS the duratec will make 190 to 200 bhp without any other mods and keep the weight down, being standard it'll last for 200,000 miles, and be good on fuel too.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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