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Mar 29, 2010 19:06:03 GMT
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Been thinking about a project car...
Metro's can be fairly cheap, lots of knowledge on them, but a metro turbo is so... dull. What really tickles my fancy is a 6r4 replica.
However being 'sensible' how would you go about putting together a powerful metro (engine irrelevant) that isn't just a fwd lookalike?
If anyone's got some ideas on cost, engine layout, engine choice, better to go for Austin or mg/rover?
wouldnt be doing any fab work myself (not yet at least) and mechanical knowledge is poor, so a steep learning curve whichever way i look at it.
I've seen a real one in action on a tarmac rally last year and i doubt the image of it spitting 6 foot flames and looking ridiculous and at the same time completely fantastic will ever leave me!
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Mar 29, 2010 19:28:44 GMT
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if you cant weld, and don't know much about mechanics, its propbably gonna end up looking like a lookalike !
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Mar 29, 2010 20:32:53 GMT
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have you got lots to spend if you cant do fab yourself ?
it wouldnt be cheap
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Mar 29, 2010 20:41:49 GMT
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I found a place selling 6r4 replica kits not long back.....if you wanted one you'd have a fivers change left from a grand to get the whole kit.
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Mar 29, 2010 20:43:32 GMT
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would it make sense to use a MGF rear end as its basically a modified metro front sub-frame. There are plenty scrapers around now to get cheep parts,you could even go for the 1.8 vvt.
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1955 Austin A30 1981 Jawa Mustang 1990 Trabant 601 (Tommy) 1989 Trabant 601 2009 Jaguar XF 2012 Toyota AYGO 2018 Scomadi TL
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Mar 29, 2010 20:57:40 GMT
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Mar 29, 2010 21:06:49 GMT
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go for it dude but beware of THIS LOL
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Mar 29, 2010 21:09:06 GMT
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unless you pay good money, its never gonna look like a 6r4, if i was you, concentrate on making it go, handle and stop well, its better than something that looks like it belongs on star trek
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olduns
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Mar 29, 2010 21:36:37 GMT
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excellent ! Barryboys SOTY 2009 2 very short vids from Millbrook..apologies for quality of pics but the noise aaaaaaaahhhhh
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Darrel
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Mar 29, 2010 22:05:22 GMT
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6R4's are truly amazing. I too have thought about it, but realistically its a massive project. I presume the car would have to be spaceframed to take the power and although I can weld to MOT standard I'm no where near good enough for something like that. I worked out that if I could do it all myself I would be looking at around £2k to build one, but outsourcing the work the car got closer to £6k.
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Mar 29, 2010 23:04:51 GMT
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Some wide spacers and the correct tyre size wheel combo + bodykit would bring you quite near. Oh, and you need a flame thrower!
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If youre gonna do it, you gotta go big or you'll look like a knob.
How about a nice Audi V8 on an Audi 2wd transaxle, mid mounted.
6R4 body, minimally silenced V8 and fat offset wheels - you know its good for you!
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Koos
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Mar 30, 2010 11:17:28 GMT
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have a look at roxvox 6r4 replica on the east mids fry up club thread in the events section ,[between page 20-26 somewhere] excellent motor i think you'll agree
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yes ,it started badly ,petered off in the middle and the least said about the end the better!!!
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sowen
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Metro 6R4sowen
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Mar 30, 2010 11:51:22 GMT
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The real 6r4 has a gearbox with a transfer type box attached to the back of it that drops the drive below the engine and to the front and rear of the car. My brother has been into these for ages and we spent a while looking for something suitable that didn't weigh a ton itself and was readily available that could be adapted to fit. We did find a possible lightweight transfer box that would have been suitable but it cost £££, I can't remember where I found it but it was for off-roading or something similar. A mid mounted v6 or v8 either transverse as a fwd type layout or on a transaxle could be adapted to suit so it is only rwd with the fuel tank radiator and other parts up front.
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Ads 19
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Mar 30, 2010 13:44:06 GMT
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is the box your thinking of the drenth gearboxes used in dakar cars etc, ideal but about 8grands worth!
Also reminded me from the 5 door with kit that the 6r4s are longer than the 3 doors.
there was a lovely replica that used to live at gaydon that went very cheap few years ago.
If it was me i'd get a clio v6 engine and box and rear subframe as they are getting quite cheap from salvage auctions. maybe just the old favorites like the audi or renault 25 box
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Mar 30, 2010 14:09:58 GMT
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Surely a kv6 with a whopping turbo?
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'83 GTM Coupe. 4A-GE Powered '00 GTM Libra Auto. Ick. '71 Detomaso Pantera. Current Resto '89 GMC Safari Tow/Kip bus '05 SAAB 9-3 Daily '71 Siva Moonbug. Not even contemplating resto yet.
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Mar 30, 2010 15:39:59 GMT
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I don't know how close it gets to the 6R4 concept, but the metro is probably one of the easier* cars to put two engines in (* "easy" being a VERY relative term in this context!).
As has bee said, the MGF rear sub frame is basically a Metro front subframe with the steering locked off.
It is also fairly easy to exchange the oem 1.4l 8 or 16v engine that sits under the bonnet for a 1.8vvc. With some serious 'fettling' that gives two 180bhp engines and 4wd!! Amazingly close to the original 6R4!
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Ads 19
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Mar 30, 2010 16:47:17 GMT
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mate at uni did do it for a uni project. it was a wierd thing having 2 rods going to one shifter. they were both mgf engines, but don't think they were vvc. the rear engines throttle was slightly advanced of the front. i wonder if can find my old uni laptop for some pics.
i don't think it was easy though as the rear floor pan was all ripped out and the door frames braced with a bulkhead. rear window replaced with a rad. i doubt it ever hit the road. i sold him some early panels as it was the k series engined 100 series. and i don't think he ever paid me for the wheels he borrowed off my 214 cabrio
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Metro 6R4Deleted
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Mar 30, 2010 18:15:34 GMT
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However being 'sensible' how would you go about putting together a powerful metro (engine irrelevant) that isn't just a fwd lookalike? You need enough steroids to build and kill a real life WWF wrestler and you need to regularly rub them all over the car until it becomes as crazy looking as you desire. You would use the same method if building a Renault 5 Turbo 2 or Jag XJS Lister Lemans
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RobinJI
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Mar 30, 2010 20:04:56 GMT
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Although the MGF (Or MGTF) subframes are similar to metro ones, they're similar to k-series metro ones, where as the 6r4's are based on a-series powered metros, so if you want a tru replica you'd need to start with an a-series powered metro.
A friend of mine at college is building a 6r4 replica using an a-series shell, butchered to fit MGTF front and rear subframes (the TF's use coilovers rather than hydrogas) and a Vauxhall V6, transversely mounted in the back. Should be interesting to see it progress. He said earlier he may sign up on here and start a build thread.
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