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Just as well some of us had them when they weren't worth much then eh? :-)
1973 RS1600. Mine was a white one that originally came from Tates in Leeds, RNW333M. My late Dad had a monza blue Mexico new in 1973 (NEL392M) and like me, viewed these silly prices with much amusement. All I can say is that anyone who thinks an old Escort is worth 65 grand is somewhat lacking in imagination. They were good, but not that good.
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Last Edit: Feb 10, 2012 12:33:39 GMT by maxi1750
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Gompo
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It hasnt got all that much to do with how good they were..
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1976 Ford Escort 2dr 1100
1977 Ford Escort 2dr 1300
1978 Ford Escort 2dr 1300-2000
1999 Honda Integra Type R (Black) 1990 Lotus Excel SE
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tri
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Last Edit: Dec 4, 2010 11:06:56 GMT by tri
I forgot how to retro...
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Tri did you have post up the beemer, as I fainted there It is lovely thought isnt it Oh and if I had £65000 to spend on a car, it would be a Gordon Keeble (60s car with Italian body, British chassis, Chevy V8) £36500.....
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1993 Fiat Panda Selecta 2003 Vauxhall Combo 1.7DI van 2006 Mercedes Kompressor Evolution-S AMG SportCoupé
"You think you hate it now, wait til you drive it"
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tri
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Tri did you have post up the beemer, as I fainted there It is lovely thought isnt it Oh and if I had £65000 to spend on a car, it would be a Gordon Keeble (60s car with Italian body, British chassis, Chevy V8) £36500..... Wow! Really, really, wow! I want one!! Also, just found this for almost £30k less than that Escort...but no, I can totally see why you'd choose a slightly tuned family hatchback over that and £30,000.
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I forgot how to retro...
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I'm not saying there are not better (or at least other) ways to spend 65 grand, escorts are fast and agile though for what they cost, i have been on race days and seen 20 grand mk1's creaming ferraris and porsches on track, the ones that leave my mates workshop avearge about 35 grand he reckons, built pretty much to full race or rally spec and on most circuits are competitive with everything modern bar the pro teams, they are still good value for money when you look at them like that, light weight and 40 years of development make them easy to build and run. I have a mate who's mk1 has run 180mph at Bruntingthorpe using YB power. D
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Garry
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The price is dictated by the market, and its a bit silly to try and read the market in a logical way. London has a 3 bedroom semi detacted house for £750k. Same house in Arbroath wouldn't make £100k. Why do Escorts cost so much? Because they are in demand. To be honest, I'd rather have an Avenger or Viva, but thats because the chances of being able to afford a RWD Escort are slim to nil. But if you're looking for an Escort, this is one of the very best, and the price reflects that.
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Last Edit: Dec 4, 2010 12:51:11 GMT by Garry
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I can't help but read some of these comments with resent for what is being said.
It's known now that a tidy twink is worth 40k plus depending how tidy it is. There's a grand in a twin cam engine that needs a rebuild alone, so a good running one, who knows.
As for 15-20k for a twin cam, I think you should take a step back. My dads mexico is worth around 20-25 apparently, despite being 'bastardised' for rallying. It's all done to period spec apart from the safety equipment, though and will be used for historic rallies. This isn't his valuation either, someone got quite upset when they heard what it was insured for.
Cars are worth what someone is willing to pay though at the end of the day, and the quality of the car cannot be judged by someone who doesn't like them. I wouldn't pay 20 quid for a 2cv, but some pay thousands. Doesn't mean they are a bad car, just not my bag.
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There is an old saying, 'a fool and his money are soon parted'. That goes for anyone who pays £750'000 to live in London when they could spend half and live somewhere civilised. Anyone who things 20 grand plus for an Escort is reasonable has lost sight of what these cars were meant for - cheap fun. The basic Ford Escort was a cheap biscuit tin for folk who couldn't afford anything better. My first car was an 1100L and it was curse word, but it was all I could afford and I have good memories of it - mainly the use of filler and Halfords tawny bronze rattle cans. The faster ones were quite good. The Mexico was certainly an excellent budget performance car in its day - note the use of the word 'budget'. My Dad really wanted a 911 but couldn't afford one until much later. The RS1600 was a nice idea but bloody horrible in reality - fouling plugs, silly fuel consumption and a Dolomite Sprint was always slightly faster as was every common or garden Capri 3000. The RS2000 was the one to have because it has the performance of the RS1600/Twin cam and the utter reliability of the Mexico which 40 years ago was mildly brisk as opposed to fast. I couldn't afford one at the time though because they were worth a fair bit more than the RS1600 which was regarded as a bit of a liability.
Don't get me wrong - I like Mark 1 Escorts. For me they hark back to an era when Ford made interesting cars. In the dim and distant past I had RS1600i's (now they were quite good), a couple of E30 M3's (and they were very special), an original Turbo Quattro another nice thing) and as a youth, RS Escorts were what you bought along the way before selling them to buy something better. If a really nice RS2000 Mark 1 could be bought for £7500 (and that's what it's worth to me) I might consider it. But as soon as you get into the realms of serious money, I'm wanting a serious car I'm afraid. If some folk can't understand that, well.....
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Shall we stop discussing the price of the Escort now. The fact is a Volvo T5 estate that costs under £1000 will do most things better than that Escort, or indeed any number of high-priced classics but if you're after the ultimate factory Escort sticking an old Volvo in your heated garage space/private museum just wouldn't have the same effect.
If you think it's too expensive, don't buy it.
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tri
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Shall we stop discussing the price of the Escort now. The fact is a Volvo T5 estate that costs under £1000 will do most things better than that Escort, or indeed any number of high-priced classics but if you're after the ultimate factory Escort sticking an old Volvo in your heated garage space/private museum just wouldn't have the same effect. If you think it's too expensive, don't buy it. ..not to be argumentative, but wasn't that the point in the thread?
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I forgot how to retro...
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Shall we stop discussing the price of the Escort now. The fact is a Volvo T5 estate that costs under £1000 will do most things better than that Escort, or indeed any number of high-priced classics but if you're after the ultimate factory Escort sticking an old Volvo in your heated garage space/private museum just wouldn't have the same effect. If you think it's too expensive, don't buy it. ..not to be argumentative, but wasn't that the point in the thread? It was, so the above rant about old Volvo estates is rather puzzling.
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That goes for anyone who pays £750'000 to live in London when they could spend half and live somewhere civilised. Charming.
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Here's one I'm looking at buying at the moment, 2ltr Pinto in it at the moment although I've actually got a Lotus Twincam engine sat in a garage in London waiting for me to pick it up....providing the bank says yes it'll be mine by Christmas..... Personally i'd sell the twincam lump and use the moeny to buy the escort, a YB and the bits needed to put it all together.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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I considered it, but the sound of the Lotus engine is far more sexier, I don't mind trading nearly 200bhp for that. A mate of mine has a YB in a Mk2 and to be totally honest it scares the curse word out me.....
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lol, yep, been there. Twin cam does sound delicious.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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i would save my money and buy a cosworth sierra or lotus carlton or maybe a renault 5 turbo 2
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All this reminds me of the E type boom in the 80's when the same thing happened and people were paying crazy money for them. That generation are now either too rheumatic, arthritic, obese or dead to get in one, and now (30 years on) you can buy one for half the money they were paying for them in the 80's!
Unless it is something really special or carries a marque that is associated with wealth and affluence..... they all drop in the longer term.
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'71 Arrocuda.... '71 Sunbeam Rapier Turbo (The Grim Rapier).... '63 Hymek D7076..... Audi GT5S
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I would save my money and buy a cosworth sierra or lotus carlton or maybe a renault 5 turbo 2 Indeed. All were special cars and they're not silly money (yet). The Turbo 2 is mental but of the three, a black 3 door Cosworth would be the one. If a crappy old Mexico is worth 20 grand, a nice unmolested Cosworth should be £100k. On reality street, I'm sure a proper Cosworth 3 door is what, £15'000? It would need to look original with the correct wheels though and no more than 300 bhp so it's reliable and not too savage on fuel. I seriously considered one when I got the M3 (E30) but they were so nickable. Insurance was just ridiculous.
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