starchild
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Jul 11, 2009 16:12:48 GMT
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ive bought a old merc from a local garage where the previous owner had some work done 2 years ago and never paid for it so the garage owner is selling it to me to get it out of the way,i don't know if hes allowed to do that as he is not the registered owner and he doesnt have the logbook/v5. can i apply for the logbook? to become the legal owner.  |
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applying for logbookretrowagen1234
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Jul 11, 2009 16:25:56 GMT
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get a reciept for it, as far as I'm aware its just illegal to sell a car without a logbook, not buy one, so therefore apply for the logbook, the dvla send the original owner a letter and they have a certain time to reply, if they don't then you get the logbook, if they reply saying thats my car, then you take your receipt and get your money back, or if need be use it as proof that you bought the car in good faith from another person ....
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Jul 11, 2009 17:08:55 GMT
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Be a bit careful in case the owner suddenly decides he wants it back and it has happened before.
Seem to recall there's some special wording the seller (the garage in this case) has to write on the reciept to cover himself and you. I also believe the garage have to contact the owner and say how much they got for it. If it exceeds what they owe him he has to pay them back, if not he could (technically) still ask them for the difference, though that's not your worry of course.
I'd strongly hint to the garage that if the previous owner suddenly decides he dows want it back that they owe him two years of storage which should be enough to frighten them off.
Ps possible old owners have spare keys. Might be worth changing the locks once you buy it 'just in case'?
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Jul 11, 2009 17:17:15 GMT
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I once brought a hillman minx from a garage that towed it in off the motorway,They had it for six months sold it to me £100. I sent for the log book no prob.Get a bill of sale.But soon as you send for the log book DVLA will write to the person who took the car to the garage to say someone is applying for the log book.The reason i know this is someone who i know cleared a local garage out and there was a morris minor,The scrap man gave it away to a friend who sent for the log book.But not before he had spent about 2k on it.When he sent for the log book DVLA ased the registerd owner was this ok.But he didnt know it had got.They cleard the wrong garage out.So the man had to give the very nice new paint morris back to the owner.Sad for the guy but the other bloke got a very nice minor back nearly done.
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starchild
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Jul 11, 2009 17:27:36 GMT
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cheers people,thanks for the advice,the work the garage done cost £2k it was bodywork.the car has no mot or tax loads of missing bits flat tyres siezed brakes no battery etc. I bought it for £150.the current owner is apparently in debt with a lot of local companies for the same sort of things.
I guess the current owner could be awkward and say 'its mine and I am not getting rid of it' and then still not pay his garage bill,the garage owner doesnt have time to deal with the claims coart etc,i reckon thats what will happen so I will get a receipt contact the dvla and wait.
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Last Edit: Jul 11, 2009 17:28:35 GMT by starchild
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Jul 11, 2009 19:14:53 GMT
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Just saw this post, my missus works for the lovely DVLA. But shes out tonight. Ill ask her what the process is and let you know... like to help.....  edit Rsponse from the wife.....the DVLA will give it six weeks, if there is no reply they will issue a logbook The form you need is a V62. |
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Last Edit: Jul 12, 2009 12:28:37 GMT by piperfish
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starchild
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Jul 12, 2009 18:10:38 GMT
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cheers piperfish.must be handy having the missus working for the dvla when you forget to tax/sorn your motor.
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Jul 12, 2009 18:16:04 GMT
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The log book does not make you the legal owner, the receipt does. However it has to be proved that the car was the garage's to sell. They should have written to the owner to tell them what they wanted to do, and what he owes them.
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piperfish
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Jul 12, 2009 18:40:28 GMT
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Yeah in the first instance Id go with FT.... Starchild, no perks for me I'm afraid, if I get done for no tax it goes on wifeys personnel record. So I have to be regimental with my vehicular activities. I cant just go and pick up cars and drive them home sans tax like I used to.  |
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Just saw this post, my missus works for the lovely DVLA. But shes out tonight. Ill ask her what the process is and let you know... like to help..... edit Rsponse from the wife.....the DVLA will give it six weeks, if there is no reply they will issue a logbook The form you need is a V62. Sorry to hijack this thread but... and hopefully piperfish can confirm this, a car parked on the public highway (ie the road) with no tax is classified as abandoned? is this correct? if so applying for the logbook without receipt isn't illegal. I was under the impression that by law all motor vehicles actually belong to the DVLA and the V5C is issued by them to show the 'registered keeper'. Keeper in the dictionary means "someone who looks after or manages something or someone". Bit long winded but I thought this is how people apply for the ownership of vehicles that are parked up and untaxed. |
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At the recovery garage I used to work at when we had non collections we would send a bill out every 2 weeks to the registered owner with the total cost of recovery + storage fees. When this bill reached the value of the car we would write to the owner and give them 7 days to pay or we would sell the car to re-coup the costs. At £100-200 for recovery + £14 a day storage we used to get some decent motors to sell on.
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Just saw this post, my missus works for the lovely DVLA. But shes out tonight. Ill ask her what the process is and let you know... like to help..... edit Rsponse from the wife.....the DVLA will give it six weeks, if there is no reply they will issue a logbook The form you need is a V62. Sorry to hijack this thread but... and hopefully piperfish can confirm this, a car parked on the public highway (ie the road) with no tax is classified as abandoned? is this correct? if so applying for the logbook without receipt isn't illegal. I was under the impression that by law all motor vehicles actually belong to the DVLA and the V5C is issued by them to show the 'registered keeper'. Keeper in the dictionary means "someone who looks after or manages something or someone". Bit long winded but I thought this is how people apply for the ownership of vehicles that are parked up and untaxed. As far as I know, it's the REGISTRATION that remains the property of the DVLA. If our vans belong to them, they can pay the bleedin road tax!  . A reciept of sale is required in law to show ownership. If you read section 5 of the V5, it clearly states the registered keeper is not necessarily the owner. |
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piperfish
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Jul 13, 2009 12:07:12 GMT
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I think FT is right its the reg that the DVLA own. If someone applies for a log book for a given vehicle they will write to the current keeper before an issue is made. If a vehicle is on the road and the tax runs out the system automatically issues a tax/SORN reminder to the registered keeper. They can then either re tax or declare off road. If neither of these things are done then either the police or DVLA are likely to issue a fine. If you apply for a logbook on a V62 and theres a current keeper on the record DVLA will write to them for confirmation of disposal . If there is no reply then they will automatically issue a logbook to the applicant. This all takes about six weeks..... Apparently theres more info to know but it is either spurious or classified......  |
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I recently applied for a V5 for an old Datsun I bought that had not seen the light of day since 1983. Some Dumb-ass at the DVLA then sent me a letter with blank spaces , one of which was for me to write the registration number on (which they had quoted me further up the letter) and the other space was for the VIN number which they say must be taken from the car, not the V5. It obviously didn't occurr to them that I wouldn't be applying for a V5 if I already had one sitting here. *sigh* I rang them and they said they couldn't find the car on their computer so they assumed I had given them wrong details. Then they asked if it hadn't been on the road for a while. Err 1983. Spose it means they have to leave their chair and go down and look in their cellar or something.
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Jul 14, 2009 10:45:32 GMT
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That letter is a hoot. Who would not be tempted to put two different numbers in the 'number on the front' and 'number on the back' boxes?
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Jul 19, 2009 12:39:51 GMT
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If there is no reply then they will automatically issue a logbook to the applicant. This all takes about six weeks..... Apparently theres more info to know but it is either spurious or classified...... Log book was issued to me this weekened! That mean that a 5 year old golf that has been sitting around, covered in curse word untaxed on my road is now mine>?! |
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Jul 19, 2009 14:57:43 GMT
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Whilst I would like to say good luck to you, the V5 only makes you the keeper. As there was no contest to the V5 being issued, you could be in the clear, but given it's only 5 years old I would have an HPI check done on it to make sure it wasn't on finance or stolen (stolen should be on the DVLA, but finance won't be)
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edit Rsponse from the wife.....the DVLA will give it six weeks, if there is no reply they will issue a logbook 
. A reciept of sale is required in law to show ownership. If you read section 5 of the V5, it clearly states the registered keeper is not necessarily the owner.
